1 00:00:37,450 --> 00:00:21,840 [Music] 2 00:00:44,410 --> 00:00:41,930 explore the bazaars are your e-ticket 3 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:44,420 ride into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:52,030 --> 00:00:47,730 strap yourself even as we traverse the 5 00:00:56,450 --> 00:00:52,040 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:01:00,619 --> 00:00:56,460 ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters 7 00:01:05,090 --> 00:01:00,629 as well as other dimensions it's time to 8 00:01:07,370 --> 00:01:05,100 take back the night last night now your 9 00:01:14,590 --> 00:01:07,380 electrifying hosts of exploring the 10 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:17,870 while I'm out here on the Blue Diamond 11 00:01:23,990 --> 00:01:21,330 Highway and the sky looks really strange 12 00:01:26,570 --> 00:01:24,000 there were all these unusual lights in 13 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:26,580 the sky and there's a craft at the side 14 00:01:32,210 --> 00:01:30,330 of the road and hey I see that my my 15 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:32,220 friend that country-western singer and 16 00:01:37,670 --> 00:01:35,610 stuntman down there Johnny says and he's 17 00:01:40,250 --> 00:01:37,680 talking to those aliens again those 18 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:40,260 aliens he met several decades ago and 19 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:42,210 then there's these Bigfoot creatures and 20 00:01:46,670 --> 00:01:43,890 the men in black this is all very 21 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:46,680 confusing to me so we're gonna have to 22 00:01:52,430 --> 00:01:48,570 talk this out tonight we're gonna have 23 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:52,440 to understand what went on back on that 24 00:01:57,410 --> 00:01:56,250 road on the way to Las Vegas and Tim 25 00:02:00,139 --> 00:01:57,420 isn't that what we're gonna do tonight 26 00:02:03,230 --> 00:02:00,149 yes that's right that's because Tim the 27 00:02:06,969 --> 00:02:03,240 aliens no the Las Vegas has the hottest 28 00:02:10,190 --> 00:02:06,979 craps this side of the Rocky Mountains 29 00:02:17,900 --> 00:02:10,200 you can bet your life on that all right 30 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:17,910 that's right no it's and I start saying 31 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:20,010 I mean you should know you're there in 32 00:02:26,390 --> 00:02:23,130 the beautiful where's the Atlantic City 33 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:26,400 Atlanta Atlantic City we're just a 34 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:29,370 rolling rolling the dice rolling the 35 00:02:34,430 --> 00:02:30,810 dice so the big ones here 36 00:02:37,190 --> 00:02:34,440 so we can finance our next big operation 37 00:02:39,650 --> 00:02:37,200 we're going to go into a competition 38 00:02:42,380 --> 00:02:39,660 with Elon Musk and we're gonna we're 39 00:02:45,229 --> 00:02:42,390 gonna build our own spaceship and and go 40 00:02:47,780 --> 00:02:45,239 to the moon and then the Mars and then 41 00:02:51,250 --> 00:02:47,790 to Uranus we're gonna get around this 42 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:51,260 hole of solar system really well but 43 00:02:57,500 --> 00:02:55,010 enough for this either idle chatter here 44 00:02:59,900 --> 00:02:57,510 because it's the holiday season and 45 00:03:02,080 --> 00:02:59,910 we're full of joy right then that's 46 00:03:05,509 --> 00:03:02,090 right well full of something there yeah 47 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:05,519 I'll say it's joy sure why not right 48 00:03:12,110 --> 00:03:07,290 have you got you have you got your 49 00:03:14,020 --> 00:03:12,120 holiday tree up yes we had to we put our 50 00:03:17,630 --> 00:03:14,030 tree up a little bit early sans 51 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:17,640 decorations because we've got a new 52 00:03:22,010 --> 00:03:20,610 kitten in the house and so you know yeah 53 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:22,020 well you know you gotta let the kitten 54 00:03:26,690 --> 00:03:25,170 have its time climbing the tree and you 55 00:03:27,940 --> 00:03:26,700 know having it's fun and 56 00:03:30,850 --> 00:03:27,950 hopefully get it out of his system 57 00:03:33,890 --> 00:03:30,860 before we attempt to hang any ornaments 58 00:03:36,589 --> 00:03:33,900 all I've got in my apartment is a tiki 59 00:03:38,690 --> 00:03:36,599 bar but I put I put I put lights around 60 00:03:41,300 --> 00:03:38,700 it for the holiday I like to be a good 61 00:03:44,540 --> 00:03:41,310 dad chair and I play it Christmas carols 62 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:44,550 and we sing and we dance and we crack 63 00:03:51,890 --> 00:03:48,930 jokes and they eat nuts and and there 64 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:51,900 you go anyway what did you tell what did 65 00:03:57,770 --> 00:03:55,410 you tell our vast audience here about 66 00:04:01,300 --> 00:03:57,780 our guest tonight because there are two 67 00:04:04,819 --> 00:04:01,310 of my favorite people from the land of 68 00:04:07,339 --> 00:04:04,829 ufology that are on the program tonight 69 00:04:09,289 --> 00:04:07,349 come on it's my pleasure and and you're 70 00:04:13,180 --> 00:04:09,299 right because tonight I'm exploring the 71 00:04:18,620 --> 00:04:13,190 rows are our guests are bill burns and 72 00:04:20,420 --> 00:04:18,630 Johnny sands now bill is probably best 73 00:04:23,810 --> 00:04:20,430 known as the guy in the sunglasses from 74 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:23,820 the show UFO Hunters where he was the 75 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:26,850 consulting producer and lead host bill 76 00:04:32,029 --> 00:04:29,910 has been producing shows since the 1950s 77 00:04:35,629 --> 00:04:32,039 when he started his dumb show called 78 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:35,639 future theater and Bill's first career 79 00:04:40,340 --> 00:04:38,370 was academic earning a PhD in law degree 80 00:04:44,779 --> 00:04:40,350 and he taught linguistics at Trenton 81 00:04:46,219 --> 00:04:44,789 State College and then in 1983 Nancy his 82 00:04:48,159 --> 00:04:46,229 wife and Bill started their book 83 00:04:51,529 --> 00:04:48,169 production company shadow long press 84 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:51,539 Bill's the author of such books as dr. 85 00:04:56,690 --> 00:04:53,490 feelgood the shocking story of the 86 00:05:00,200 --> 00:04:56,700 doctor who may have changed history by 87 00:05:02,300 --> 00:05:00,210 treating and drugging JFK Marilyn Elvis 88 00:05:05,420 --> 00:05:02,310 and other prominent figures and I have 89 00:05:07,340 --> 00:05:05,430 to say bill that is just absolutely a 90 00:05:08,779 --> 00:05:07,350 fascinating book I hope we get a chance 91 00:05:12,589 --> 00:05:08,789 to talk about that a little bit tonight 92 00:05:16,790 --> 00:05:12,599 as well bill has written the downing of 93 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:16,800 TWA flight 800 UFO Hunters book 1 the 94 00:05:25,070 --> 00:05:20,849 haunting of 21st century America and his 95 00:05:28,790 --> 00:05:25,080 most recent Edison vs. Tesla that battle 96 00:05:31,629 --> 00:05:28,800 over their last invention and now with 97 00:05:34,149 --> 00:05:31,639 us as well is Johnny sands now this 98 00:05:36,620 --> 00:05:34,159 Johnny has been on our show before and 99 00:05:38,870 --> 00:05:36,630 Johnny has been performing in the music 100 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:38,880 business as a singer-songwriter as well 101 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:40,290 as performer 102 00:05:47,420 --> 00:05:43,050 shows such as NBC's Today Show Grand Ole 103 00:05:49,190 --> 00:05:47,430 Opry and in Las Vegas Sands worked many 104 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:49,200 years with artists like Charlie Daniels 105 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:52,530 Razzie belly Merle Haggard and the late 106 00:06:01,510 --> 00:05:55,650 great Conway Twitty just to name a few 107 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:01,520 of course Johnny is known because of his 108 00:06:10,610 --> 00:06:05,750 really bizarre UFO encounter in December 109 00:06:12,410 --> 00:06:10,620 1975 outside of Las Vegas and we'll 110 00:06:15,170 --> 00:06:12,420 definitely talk about that tonight so 111 00:06:17,330 --> 00:06:15,180 bill and Johnny thank you very much for 112 00:06:19,970 --> 00:06:17,340 being with us tonight on exploring the 113 00:06:21,770 --> 00:06:19,980 bizarre hey you know you forgot you 114 00:06:24,500 --> 00:06:21,780 forgot you Tim you forgot to mention 115 00:06:28,130 --> 00:06:24,510 bill burns probably a best-selling UFO 116 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:28,140 book today after Roswell and in fact my 117 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:30,570 my lead question to you bill 118 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:34,770 anything new on Corso and proving the 119 00:06:43,490 --> 00:06:38,610 case and any feedback coming in still 120 00:06:45,650 --> 00:06:43,500 after all this time no Corso it still 121 00:06:51,500 --> 00:06:45,660 it's still one of the best-selling books 122 00:06:55,010 --> 00:06:51,510 on Amazon it's number six in UFOs so and 123 00:06:57,110 --> 00:06:55,020 a really are the Corso case I think is 124 00:07:00,020 --> 00:06:57,120 really kind of been resolved I mean he 125 00:07:05,410 --> 00:07:00,030 is just a very English is very popular 126 00:07:09,350 --> 00:07:05,420 figure he claimed that the United States 127 00:07:11,810 --> 00:07:09,360 after the crash at Roswell harvested but 128 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:11,820 the army harvested a cache of material 129 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:14,130 technological material from from the 130 00:07:24,020 --> 00:07:21,410 downed UFO and after Truman who had 131 00:07:27,260 --> 00:07:24,030 given the lowest common denominator of 132 00:07:29,060 --> 00:07:27,270 this technology to Bell Labs for them to 133 00:07:31,250 --> 00:07:29,070 develop the transistor they didn't know 134 00:07:33,020 --> 00:07:31,260 what it was at the time but that's it 135 00:07:38,780 --> 00:07:33,030 contained the secret of what made the 136 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:38,790 transistors work basically it really sat 137 00:07:48,350 --> 00:07:43,370 in the Pentagon for over ten years until 138 00:07:53,090 --> 00:07:48,360 it got into the hands of the general 139 00:07:54,510 --> 00:07:53,100 then author Trudeau who under whose 140 00:07:57,330 --> 00:07:54,520 leadership 141 00:08:01,020 --> 00:07:57,340 so filter the material out into defense 142 00:08:04,909 --> 00:08:01,030 contractors in the early 1960s so how 143 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:04,919 was the story that Corso told and 144 00:08:10,969 --> 00:08:07,449 nobody's come up so far to say it never 145 00:08:13,469 --> 00:08:10,979 happened well now there has been some 146 00:08:15,180 --> 00:08:13,479 disputing the fact that the crash at 147 00:08:19,649 --> 00:08:15,190 Roswell had anything to do with the 148 00:08:21,930 --> 00:08:19,659 development of the transistor right well 149 00:08:23,939 --> 00:08:21,940 the transistor what became the 150 00:08:26,790 --> 00:08:23,949 transistor wasn't really a transistor 151 00:08:29,839 --> 00:08:26,800 yet had been in development ever since 152 00:08:34,170 --> 00:08:29,849 the 1930s 153 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:34,180 Bell Labs retain and Shockley had been 154 00:08:40,649 --> 00:08:37,510 trying to develop something that would 155 00:08:43,110 --> 00:08:40,659 get electronics beyond the stage of 156 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:43,120 Edison tubes basically lightbulbs radio 157 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:46,570 tubes that were the switches for 158 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:50,410 electric current but it wasn't as the 159 00:08:57,690 --> 00:08:54,370 story goes it wasn't until after the 160 00:09:00,389 --> 00:08:57,700 crash at Roswell and the delivery of the 161 00:09:03,569 --> 00:09:00,399 first cache of material that that went 162 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:03,579 to Bell Labs that retaining shock we 163 00:09:08,850 --> 00:09:06,010 actually saw integrated circuits and 164 00:09:11,090 --> 00:09:08,860 seeing integrated circuits and how the 165 00:09:14,639 --> 00:09:11,100 integrated circuits were built into 166 00:09:17,430 --> 00:09:14,649 their base they were able to duplicate 167 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:17,440 that base and that's what enabled them 168 00:09:26,130 --> 00:09:21,490 to develop the transistor in late 1947 169 00:09:28,199 --> 00:09:26,140 and it was patented in 48 and 49 so sure 170 00:09:31,139 --> 00:09:28,209 there were folks who said look this is a 171 00:09:33,569 --> 00:09:31,149 case propped of post hoc ergo propter 172 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:33,579 hoc right that because it was developed 173 00:09:38,730 --> 00:09:36,250 after the crash at Roswell didn't mean 174 00:09:41,130 --> 00:09:38,740 it was because of the crash of Roswell 175 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:41,140 one of the things that courser said that 176 00:09:47,460 --> 00:09:44,410 happened was that by seeing the finished 177 00:09:49,940 --> 00:09:47,470 device in an integrated circuit from the 178 00:09:55,410 --> 00:09:49,950 UFO Britain and Shockley were able to 179 00:09:57,540 --> 00:09:55,420 reverse engineer what became something 180 00:10:00,210 --> 00:09:57,550 that transmitted current and at the same 181 00:10:02,190 --> 00:10:00,220 time was able to resist current hence 182 00:10:05,189 --> 00:10:02,200 the transistor and that became the 183 00:10:08,170 --> 00:10:05,199 switch that enabled the entire world of 184 00:10:09,820 --> 00:10:08,180 integrated circuitry to begin 185 00:10:11,710 --> 00:10:09,830 all right well I don't want to spend too 186 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:11,720 much time on razo because it's been done 187 00:10:17,020 --> 00:10:14,930 and rehashed and and so forth but any of 188 00:10:20,230 --> 00:10:17,030 these recent stories that we've heard 189 00:10:22,090 --> 00:10:20,240 have been press true at all the UCI a 190 00:10:25,030 --> 00:10:22,100 fellow who claimed that he had done some 191 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:25,040 documents and the nearer a fellow who 192 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:27,410 was near death who told us um seeing the 193 00:10:33,310 --> 00:10:30,290 aliens and so forth and anything along 194 00:10:35,260 --> 00:10:33,320 these lines and that no I think the only 195 00:10:37,950 --> 00:10:35,270 thing that stands out at least to me 196 00:10:41,110 --> 00:10:37,960 that really stands out is the story of 197 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:41,120 Marian black Mac Magruder meronym 198 00:10:50,350 --> 00:10:47,810 Magruder who in 1944 when he was a 199 00:10:51,910 --> 00:10:50,360 Marine lieutenant colonel basically was 200 00:10:52,930 --> 00:10:51,920 the person who brought radar 201 00:10:58,180 --> 00:10:52,940 night-fighting 202 00:11:01,090 --> 00:10:58,190 to the Armed Forces and whose knife 203 00:11:04,450 --> 00:11:01,100 fighters he was the leader of knife 204 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:04,460 fighting squadron using radar were able 205 00:11:11,590 --> 00:11:07,250 to defeat of Japanese kamikaze attacks 206 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:11,600 on our fleet and in the air war class of 207 00:11:21,940 --> 00:11:16,570 1948 that class that class of officers 208 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:21,950 was taken to right field and there they 209 00:11:27,820 --> 00:11:25,850 saw both the artifacts from the crash at 210 00:11:30,430 --> 00:11:27,830 Roswell this is one year later were 211 00:11:32,110 --> 00:11:30,440 actually six months later they saw the 212 00:11:37,030 --> 00:11:32,120 crowd they saw the debris from the crash 213 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:37,040 and then they saw the live alien that 214 00:11:44,830 --> 00:11:40,130 the United States had captured from that 215 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:44,840 crash and Gruder was able to communicate 216 00:11:51,070 --> 00:11:48,170 with it so I mean that to me is one of 217 00:11:53,230 --> 00:11:51,080 the standout stories of that and Alan 218 00:11:57,010 --> 00:11:53,240 Godfrey story over in the UK from the 219 00:11:58,990 --> 00:11:57,020 1980s about a his encounter with the UFO 220 00:12:02,610 --> 00:11:59,000 those are two standout stories to me 221 00:12:06,250 --> 00:12:02,620 about personal interactions with 222 00:12:09,310 --> 00:12:06,260 extraterrestrials well it is certainly 223 00:12:12,220 --> 00:12:09,320 the stand all case and you followed you 224 00:12:15,700 --> 00:12:12,230 the one that the public seems to be most 225 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:15,710 easily identify with and I guess well I 226 00:12:20,140 --> 00:12:17,090 don't know if we'll ever really know I 227 00:12:23,990 --> 00:12:20,150 mean that the stories and legend goes on 228 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:27,030 you had something on that earlier well I 229 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:29,050 was I was just going to say and that's 230 00:12:36,060 --> 00:12:31,570 unfortunate because if something ever 231 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:36,070 does happen that it's it is actually 232 00:12:40,860 --> 00:12:39,310 definitively you know disproved as being 233 00:12:44,370 --> 00:12:40,870 an extraterrestrial craft or whatever 234 00:12:49,710 --> 00:12:44,380 then people will start believing then 235 00:12:52,740 --> 00:12:49,720 that the entire UFO phenomena is is fake 236 00:12:56,370 --> 00:12:52,750 you know Roswell has become so 237 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:56,380 synonymous with the UFO mystery that you 238 00:12:59,250 --> 00:12:57,850 know something like that happens this 239 00:13:03,330 --> 00:12:59,260 kind of ends up being like throwing the 240 00:13:06,630 --> 00:13:03,340 baby out with the bathwater yeah that's 241 00:13:10,230 --> 00:13:06,640 right oh well for me I think that the 242 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:10,240 eyewitness witness you could discount 243 00:13:15,150 --> 00:13:12,730 everything but for me discounting the 244 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:15,160 eyewitness testimony of lieutenant 245 00:13:19,950 --> 00:13:17,890 Walter Howe who was the person who had 246 00:13:21,810 --> 00:13:19,960 delivered the notice that the army 247 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:21,820 captures flying discs outside of Roswell 248 00:13:29,250 --> 00:13:26,650 to the newspapers his statement made in 249 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:29,260 contemplation of death an excited 250 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:32,050 utterance basically and his statements 251 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:35,170 made to veterans and Foreign Wars and to 252 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:38,290 some visitors of foreign press at the 253 00:13:43,860 --> 00:13:40,650 UFO International Museum in Roswell 254 00:13:46,680 --> 00:13:43,870 those statements themselves to me 255 00:13:48,330 --> 00:13:46,690 because not only was he an eyewitness 256 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:48,340 there are plenty of eyewitnesses I mean 257 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:50,290 we go back to the sheriff we can go back 258 00:13:59,280 --> 00:13:56,730 to the ranchers we can go back to the 259 00:14:01,680 --> 00:13:59,290 Glenn Dennis at the more we can just go 260 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:01,690 back all the way to the eyewitnesses but 261 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:05,130 the fact that but after all these years 262 00:14:14,100 --> 00:14:11,530 after 40 plus years Walter Haut signed a 263 00:14:17,220 --> 00:14:14,110 legal document in the presence of his 264 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:17,230 attorney and it was notarized sworn to 265 00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:20,890 and notarized in which he went through 266 00:14:26,910 --> 00:14:24,040 all the steps and then didn't just talk 267 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:26,920 about the crash of Roswell but talked 268 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:29,770 about the cover-up when Roger Ramey and 269 00:14:35,820 --> 00:14:33,370 DuBose Colonel DuBose came to Roswell 270 00:14:39,630 --> 00:14:35,830 the day before the material 271 00:14:43,500 --> 00:14:39,640 went with Jesse Marcel back to Fort Hood 272 00:14:47,060 --> 00:14:43,510 and there they put in place the cover-up 273 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:47,070 of this crash actually two crashes and 274 00:14:54,390 --> 00:14:51,310 so that to me the reporting on that 275 00:14:57,990 --> 00:14:54,400 meeting is is probably one of the most 276 00:15:00,990 --> 00:14:58,000 important things because it dovetails it 277 00:15:03,510 --> 00:15:01,000 just fits right in with the story of 278 00:15:07,170 --> 00:15:03,520 Jesse Marcel the story of Jesse Marcel 279 00:15:09,810 --> 00:15:07,180 jr. why Jesse's senior left the armed 280 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:09,820 services I mean everything suddenly 281 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:13,210 falls in place when you see it through 282 00:15:19,980 --> 00:15:16,330 the eyes of Walter Haut who was the 283 00:15:22,290 --> 00:15:19,990 person who quite frankly was and 284 00:15:25,650 --> 00:15:22,300 eyewitness to the entire series of 285 00:15:28,770 --> 00:15:25,660 events from the moment that he was 286 00:15:32,270 --> 00:15:28,780 ordered to from from the moment that he 287 00:15:35,130 --> 00:15:32,280 went to the crash site to the meeting at 288 00:15:39,030 --> 00:15:35,140 the Roswell Army Airfield at 5:09 289 00:15:41,550 --> 00:15:39,040 Walker field to the cover up to the post 290 00:15:45,530 --> 00:15:41,560 cover up to what happened to Jesse 291 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:45,540 Marcel seniors life afterwards so to me 292 00:15:50,910 --> 00:15:48,370 that's still the most compelling 293 00:15:56,370 --> 00:15:50,920 evidence because there's no point Walter 294 00:15:59,330 --> 00:15:56,380 house would lie what is the point I was 295 00:16:02,130 --> 00:15:59,340 the same way that I always thought about 296 00:16:06,990 --> 00:16:02,140 Lieutenant Colonel Corso you know at the 297 00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:07,000 point that his book was published why 298 00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:09,040 would he you know the skeptics are 299 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:10,510 always saying you know all whoa you know 300 00:16:14,250 --> 00:16:12,250 he just made this up to you know try to 301 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:14,260 you know make money or to glorify 302 00:16:20,550 --> 00:16:16,090 himself but at that point in his life 303 00:16:22,350 --> 00:16:20,560 you know why yeah and that doesn't it to 304 00:16:26,490 --> 00:16:22,360 me it doesn't make sense I guess I was 305 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:26,500 always impressed by Lieutenant Colonel 306 00:16:32,370 --> 00:16:29,410 core so you know just he just he just 307 00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:32,380 always seemed to be you know legitimate 308 00:16:37,079 --> 00:16:33,910 to me 309 00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:37,089 despite we can realize well and then 310 00:16:43,620 --> 00:16:39,279 when you realize that other core so pops 311 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:43,630 up a lot through through history of some 312 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:47,290 of these events I mean he's not just the 313 00:16:53,809 --> 00:16:50,649 Roswell guy right the guy that gave that 314 00:16:56,660 --> 00:16:53,819 testimony to the Senate on the CIA 315 00:17:00,660 --> 00:16:56,670 wandering drug money in Southeast Asia 316 00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:00,670 he was the guy who right after the 317 00:17:07,730 --> 00:17:04,240 assassination of JFK got the Secret 318 00:17:10,529 --> 00:17:07,740 Service to put an armed guard around 319 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:10,539 this one hotel where the Speaker of the 320 00:17:14,460 --> 00:17:12,610 House was because he was suddenly and 321 00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:14,470 more in the light well he was in a lot 322 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:17,679 of succession but were something to 323 00:17:20,340 --> 00:17:18,130 happen 324 00:17:22,649 --> 00:17:20,350 this person was definitely in the line 325 00:17:27,659 --> 00:17:22,659 and he could have been assassin if they 326 00:17:33,380 --> 00:17:27,669 didn't know so and then Corso was the 327 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:33,390 person like to me he put his finger on 328 00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:35,770 certain aspects of the kennedy 329 00:17:40,649 --> 00:17:37,600 assassination because he was working for 330 00:17:48,029 --> 00:17:40,659 Richard Russell on the assassination 331 00:17:49,740 --> 00:17:48,039 committee on on the on the on the 332 00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:49,750 committee that Johnson put together to 333 00:17:57,419 --> 00:17:54,400 assess guilt and he he was on the 334 00:18:01,350 --> 00:17:57,429 extension called the Johnson made to his 335 00:18:05,610 --> 00:18:01,360 mentor Richard Russell in which Russell 336 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:05,620 told Johnson that neither he nor Jerry 337 00:18:14,220 --> 00:18:11,289 Ford saw that the that there was a 338 00:18:15,990 --> 00:18:14,230 single shooter and that there had to be 339 00:18:18,090 --> 00:18:16,000 another shooter that there was no magic 340 00:18:20,190 --> 00:18:18,100 bullet and on that phone chrome these 341 00:18:25,140 --> 00:18:20,200 were on the tapes that came from Lady 342 00:18:26,850 --> 00:18:25,150 Bird Johnson that Johnson agreed and 343 00:18:28,980 --> 00:18:26,860 said I don't agree with the Warren 344 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:28,990 Commission either about the Magic Bullet 345 00:18:36,330 --> 00:18:33,370 theory but if we don't agree with it 346 00:18:39,029 --> 00:18:36,340 then we have to ascribe to a conspiracy 347 00:18:41,970 --> 00:18:39,039 of multiple shooters and if we do that 348 00:18:44,399 --> 00:18:41,980 and the finger lands on the Soviet Union 349 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:44,409 then we have to really do a nuclear 350 00:18:47,460 --> 00:18:46,570 retaliation against the Soviet Union 351 00:18:50,190 --> 00:18:47,470 which you 352 00:18:53,129 --> 00:18:50,200 the lives of over 40 million people in 353 00:18:56,009 --> 00:18:53,139 nuclear exchange for the death of one 354 00:18:58,860 --> 00:18:56,019 person who would never come back and 355 00:19:02,399 --> 00:18:58,870 that convinced Richard Russell and Jerry 356 00:19:04,769 --> 00:19:02,409 Ford to go along with the Magic Bullet 357 00:19:06,180 --> 00:19:04,779 theory but in the course of doing the 358 00:19:09,090 --> 00:19:06,190 book dr. feelgood 359 00:19:10,169 --> 00:19:09,100 that was one of the things that we 360 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:10,179 addressed in the book when we 361 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:13,210 interviewed Paul Landis who was on the 362 00:19:18,990 --> 00:19:15,850 Jackie Kennedy detail in Dallas that day 363 00:19:22,190 --> 00:19:19,000 he was a Secret Service agent and Landis 364 00:19:26,639 --> 00:19:22,200 was walking behind the Kennedy limousine 365 00:19:30,930 --> 00:19:26,649 so this is the person in the closest 366 00:19:32,970 --> 00:19:30,940 proximity to the actual event and he 367 00:19:34,980 --> 00:19:32,980 said that the first shot he heard came 368 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:34,990 from over his shoulder that would have 369 00:19:40,889 --> 00:19:37,450 been from the Book Depository but he 370 00:19:43,980 --> 00:19:40,899 said the second shot he said that you're 371 00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:43,990 trained to locate where the shots come 372 00:19:50,490 --> 00:19:46,240 from and he said remember you're going 373 00:19:52,110 --> 00:19:50,500 down into a bowl and in a daily Plaza so 374 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:52,120 it's not as though that you're up where 375 00:19:55,799 --> 00:19:54,129 were it's clean so that in the bowl 376 00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:55,809 you're gonna get sounds of ricocheting 377 00:20:01,649 --> 00:19:58,960 and sounds of echoes but as they went 378 00:20:04,830 --> 00:20:01,659 down into that bowl he said the second 379 00:20:07,919 --> 00:20:04,840 shot I think we heard that come from in 380 00:20:09,570 --> 00:20:07,929 front of the limousine and he saw the 381 00:20:12,029 --> 00:20:09,580 second shot take off the back of 382 00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:12,039 Kennedy's head now when he looked up he 383 00:20:17,090 --> 00:20:14,799 saw people running across the bridge 384 00:20:19,860 --> 00:20:17,100 from the grass you know over the bridge 385 00:20:23,060 --> 00:20:19,870 so he said as far as he's concerned that 386 00:20:25,649 --> 00:20:23,070 second shot came from infernally 387 00:20:27,539 --> 00:20:25,659 motorcade and well you know what Billy I 388 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:27,549 just want to I just want to say here 389 00:20:35,220 --> 00:20:31,330 bill in a couple of months time we plan 390 00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:35,230 to have on our show one of the witnesses 391 00:20:41,549 --> 00:20:38,289 who was running away on that day at 392 00:20:45,810 --> 00:20:41,559 Daley a Plaza we just made a connection 393 00:20:48,779 --> 00:20:45,820 with a young gentleman who is putting 394 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:48,789 together a documentary film and he's 395 00:20:54,060 --> 00:20:51,730 putting in us in touch with one of the 396 00:20:55,409 --> 00:20:54,070 witnesses who I believe is lever Tim I 397 00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:55,419 my right has never made a public 398 00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:58,559 statement before now that's correct 399 00:21:03,659 --> 00:21:01,840 okay so that's another reason to 400 00:21:12,510 --> 00:21:03,669 continue to listen every week to 401 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:12,520 exploring the bazaar well we have just a 402 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:14,770 couple of minutes here before we go to 403 00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:19,330 our our bottom of the hour a break here 404 00:21:23,220 --> 00:21:20,559 but I think that you know a lot of 405 00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:23,230 people have been hoping that as these 406 00:21:29,659 --> 00:21:27,120 the release of some of these FBI and 407 00:21:32,370 --> 00:21:29,669 documents about the JFK assassination 408 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:32,380 have I mean there's been some 409 00:21:39,659 --> 00:21:34,690 interesting things come out but nothing 410 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:39,669 nothing earth-shattering so far no I 411 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:42,730 mean when you look at it there have to 412 00:21:48,539 --> 00:21:44,770 be look there's there there has to be a 413 00:21:53,220 --> 00:21:48,549 reason why over 50 years after the event 414 00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,230 itself why after all these decades the 415 00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:55,360 intelligence services would still keep 416 00:22:03,149 --> 00:21:58,450 things on the down-low and not released 417 00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:03,159 and my theory is that again going back 418 00:22:08,490 --> 00:22:06,159 to our dr. feelgood book a year after 419 00:22:11,070 --> 00:22:08,500 Kennedy was assassinated Mary pincette 420 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:11,080 Mayer was assassinated in Georgetown she 421 00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:14,010 was killed on the Georgetown canals and 422 00:22:22,110 --> 00:22:17,200 and she had been married to cord Meyer 423 00:22:24,779 --> 00:22:22,120 who was a CIA agent and when she was 424 00:22:26,639 --> 00:22:24,789 divorced at this point but what happened 425 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:26,649 was folks went to court Meyer and said 426 00:22:34,019 --> 00:22:30,809 boy who who killed your ex-wife and 427 00:22:36,690 --> 00:22:34,029 court Myers said the same SOB s who 428 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:36,700 killed the president that's what a CIA 429 00:22:47,690 --> 00:22:40,090 agent said and then after she was 430 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:47,700 murdered her sister was a Tony pin shot 431 00:22:53,639 --> 00:22:51,610 who was married to Ben Bradley the 432 00:22:58,889 --> 00:22:53,649 Washington Post so she was Tony Bradley 433 00:23:02,279 --> 00:22:58,899 and after the murder then Bradley 434 00:23:07,649 --> 00:23:02,289 discovered Jim angleton of the CIA 435 00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:07,659 counterintelligence PI at the CIA they 436 00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:10,240 discovered Jim angleton at Mary pin 437 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:14,559 shots apartment in Washington and they 438 00:23:18,659 --> 00:23:15,730 wanted know what he was luck 439 00:23:20,879 --> 00:23:18,669 and he was looking for Mary's diary no 440 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:20,889 Mary's all right bill we're gonna have 441 00:23:23,850 --> 00:23:22,210 to interrupt bill we're gonna have to 442 00:23:25,950 --> 00:23:23,860 interrupt you here because we have to go 443 00:23:28,049 --> 00:23:25,960 to our break when we come back we'll 444 00:23:36,509 --> 00:23:28,059 bring Johnny sands into the conversation 445 00:23:38,879 --> 00:23:36,519 stay tuned now back to exploring the 446 00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:38,889 bizarre with two of the most 447 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:41,440 electrifying researchers in the Paranoid 448 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:45,250 your hosts Timothy beckoning and tense 449 00:23:53,879 --> 00:23:51,250 lists and welcome back to explore in the 450 00:23:56,940 --> 00:23:53,889 bizarre tonight we're talking to bill 451 00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:56,950 burns and Johnny sands want to bring 452 00:24:03,570 --> 00:24:01,360 Johnny into the conversation what do you 453 00:24:06,299 --> 00:24:03,580 think Tim should we do that now III bill 454 00:24:13,159 --> 00:24:06,309 I believe this is as good a time as any 455 00:24:19,139 --> 00:24:16,019 what what what you bit what you've been 456 00:24:22,919 --> 00:24:19,149 doing with yourself well I'm still doing 457 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:22,929 music midlist I'm doing shows all over 458 00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:25,450 the United States up ain't gotta make 459 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:28,960 this way that's what up I'm right now 460 00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:34,510 that in Florida and just kinda hang on 461 00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:37,360 to the best life there you go there you 462 00:24:44,730 --> 00:24:39,279 go you've been performing for how many 463 00:24:47,310 --> 00:24:44,740 years now about fifty to fifty and how 464 00:24:52,169 --> 00:24:47,320 did what was the first inkling that you 465 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:52,179 wanted to be an entertainer when I was 466 00:24:59,399 --> 00:24:57,130 about eight years old i bill was talking 467 00:25:02,129 --> 00:24:59,409 about some of the people that uh dr. 468 00:25:05,639 --> 00:25:02,139 feelgood he messed up but Elvis 469 00:25:11,009 --> 00:25:05,649 personally and made a big influence on 470 00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:11,019 me as a young boy and so at the age of 471 00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:13,809 ten I started doing talent shows and 472 00:25:19,289 --> 00:25:16,480 begin to win and I would do 473 00:25:23,310 --> 00:25:19,299 impersonations of him when he first come 474 00:25:25,169 --> 00:25:23,320 out and he did he ever see you perform 475 00:25:29,070 --> 00:25:25,179 oh yes yes 476 00:25:31,739 --> 00:25:29,080 in fact Elvis and his dad burn 477 00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:31,749 it's uncle Vestas I used to go to 478 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:35,919 Graceland quite often and yes we we 479 00:25:41,129 --> 00:25:38,129 become real great friends 480 00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:41,139 wonderful wonderful yeah we know yeah 481 00:25:48,330 --> 00:25:44,080 and then you got into doing stuntmen 482 00:25:50,340 --> 00:25:48,340 routine right right and again I got to 483 00:25:54,479 --> 00:25:50,350 work with Elvis I worked in a movie 484 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:54,489 called roustabout I was a stunt man 485 00:26:02,479 --> 00:25:57,730 riding a motorcycle in that picture we 486 00:26:04,289 --> 00:26:02,489 done in 1963 and we did that out in 487 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:04,299 California there Thousand Oaks 488 00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:07,690 California and yeah you know you know I 489 00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:11,580 just wanted a reminder bill we were on 490 00:26:18,419 --> 00:26:13,809 Johnny and I were on the same program 491 00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:18,429 the UFO Hunters looking for the the I 492 00:26:23,729 --> 00:26:20,590 think there was a men in black episode 493 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:23,739 right that was yes it was it was 494 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:26,289 Johnny's incredible story yeah and we 495 00:26:30,570 --> 00:26:28,450 thought thank goodness we tracked Johnny 496 00:26:33,899 --> 00:26:30,580 down because we had been told that 497 00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:33,909 Johnny was deceased and I said and then 498 00:26:40,940 --> 00:26:36,159 one of my Tim Cridland out of Las Vegas 499 00:26:44,399 --> 00:26:40,950 who is the the fellow who does all the 500 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:44,409 eating the bar as swallowing swords and 501 00:26:52,139 --> 00:26:46,690 chewing beer bottles and all that we're 502 00:26:56,340 --> 00:26:52,149 trying a couple weeks ago he ain't dead 503 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:56,350 so what one of the guys from UFO Hunters 504 00:27:00,119 --> 00:26:58,330 I guess producers or somebody finally 505 00:27:02,159 --> 00:27:00,129 tracked him down and we got him on the 506 00:27:07,549 --> 00:27:02,169 show and we ended up out at the Grand 507 00:27:09,899 --> 00:27:07,559 Canyon somewhere I think right you know 508 00:27:12,479 --> 00:27:09,909 and it was really good to see you Johnny 509 00:27:14,869 --> 00:27:12,489 it was good to be liable I enjoy the 510 00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,879 show very much being with y'all and well 511 00:27:22,129 --> 00:27:17,200 Johnny you know you have the greatest 512 00:27:24,509 --> 00:27:22,139 story of men in black V great a story 513 00:27:30,509 --> 00:27:24,519 like why don't you retell that for the 514 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:30,519 folks yeah well you know I happened to 515 00:27:37,139 --> 00:27:33,970 see him back in 1975 so you taking me 516 00:27:39,299 --> 00:27:37,149 back a whole lot of years here and this 517 00:27:42,330 --> 00:27:39,309 is one thing before we get started I 518 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:42,340 never got into it for money he didn't do 519 00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:42,610 it 520 00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:45,760 thank as far as a attorney in my career 521 00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:49,510 as far as that goes up and so I've never 522 00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,960 made any money for doing it so I've only 523 00:28:00,060 --> 00:27:54,640 told the story because it's a way it 524 00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:00,070 happened and I was in Vegas and getting 525 00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:04,660 ready to do some shows there and I was 526 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:07,780 out on the Blue Diamond Highway which is 527 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:12,730 a out out to the I guess it's the south 528 00:28:20,730 --> 00:28:17,890 of Vegas there and that's when I first 529 00:28:25,860 --> 00:28:20,740 run into the encounter of it all about 530 00:28:28,289 --> 00:28:25,870 14 miles out and I was driving and I 531 00:28:32,430 --> 00:28:28,299 noticed a light in the sky 532 00:28:35,610 --> 00:28:32,440 and it was a life second still while 533 00:28:37,169 --> 00:28:35,620 hovering in the sky and first I thought 534 00:28:41,159 --> 00:28:37,179 maybe they were feeling some kind of 535 00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,169 movie or something like that and so I 536 00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:43,600 begin to look at it but all of a sudden 537 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:47,460 my car started malfunctioning and I 538 00:28:53,610 --> 00:28:51,610 pulled over and tried to see what was 539 00:28:57,270 --> 00:28:53,620 wrong with the car just stalled it was 540 00:29:01,169 --> 00:28:57,280 quick running all together and I got out 541 00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:01,179 and they did it and was trying to see 542 00:29:07,409 --> 00:29:04,000 what was wrong with it and I seen the 543 00:29:09,419 --> 00:29:07,419 flash your light go in the sky and I 544 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:09,429 looked up and when I looked up I could 545 00:29:14,430 --> 00:29:11,049 still see this thing hovering 546 00:29:19,010 --> 00:29:14,440 it was a kind of shaped like a peach 547 00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:19,020 spear kind of a blog like a cigar DJ and 548 00:29:28,590 --> 00:29:24,360 it was a real large and but I could see 549 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:28,600 in the headlights do people walking 550 00:29:30,930 --> 00:29:30,370 through in the direction of where I was 551 00:29:37,260 --> 00:29:30,940 standing 552 00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:37,270 and I I got started getting the car but 553 00:29:43,140 --> 00:29:40,510 I realized it was I was froze like my 554 00:29:47,010 --> 00:29:43,150 body was like paralyzed and I couldn't 555 00:29:51,030 --> 00:29:47,020 get loose to get away and they kept on 556 00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:51,040 coming approaching me and that's when I 557 00:30:01,529 --> 00:29:55,900 had my encounter with the two guys that 558 00:30:03,930 --> 00:30:01,539 believed to be aliens and the that's 559 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:03,940 where it led into the story about the 560 00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,130 men in black we uh when we told about 561 00:30:16,169 --> 00:30:11,440 what happened I wasn't too sure that 562 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:16,179 what I dreamed was real and uh so I had 563 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:19,690 tried to up but you you you did you did 564 00:30:25,710 --> 00:30:22,090 tell you did pass a lie-detector test 565 00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:25,720 oh yeah uh yeah I asked for Lester 566 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:29,440 I was a real concerned like a symbol 567 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:33,370 what I'd see and I checked in hospital 568 00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:37,210 when I got to Vegas because I wasn't too 569 00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:41,679 sure what's going on and I I told him 570 00:30:46,590 --> 00:30:43,750 what happened well it kinda looked at me 571 00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,600 like I was a nut and I said well it 572 00:30:55,230 --> 00:30:48,159 really happen you know what you won't 573 00:31:03,860 --> 00:30:55,240 believe it or not and I have expected so 574 00:31:09,139 --> 00:31:03,870 here in his second year every little 575 00:31:16,110 --> 00:31:09,149 breathing problem I mean kind of sick 576 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:16,120 and yeah I and they told you know anyway 577 00:31:24,269 --> 00:31:20,770 they called me enough some people got 578 00:31:27,870 --> 00:31:24,279 named or ill Nolan he was out of the 579 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:27,880 University a while me and he'd worked 580 00:31:32,130 --> 00:31:29,490 with the FBI 581 00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:32,140 it certainly isn't it certainly is an 582 00:31:38,340 --> 00:31:35,500 incredible story I mean it was it was 583 00:31:41,490 --> 00:31:38,350 one of the first that we actually heard 584 00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:41,500 a connection between the Bigfoot for 585 00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:42,880 lack of a better name I'm being these 586 00:31:47,610 --> 00:31:44,950 hairy creatures and and and the men in 587 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:47,620 black in in UFOs and of course that's 588 00:31:53,130 --> 00:31:50,890 become similar to say kind of quite 589 00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:53,140 common in the UFO field today 590 00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:55,360 right well the thing that also impresses 591 00:32:00,060 --> 00:31:58,000 me about you know this this this whole 592 00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:00,070 situation with Johnny is that you know 593 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:02,080 here's somebody who I mean he had no 594 00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,450 previous knowledge about you know the 595 00:32:08,580 --> 00:32:06,880 whole UFO phenomena and you know as 596 00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:08,590 associated phenomena 597 00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:12,070 yet he had these experiences that are I 598 00:32:15,989 --> 00:32:13,740 mean you know basically almost 599 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:15,999 stereotypical of a lot of people's 600 00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:18,850 experiences so I mean you know to me 601 00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:22,120 that that says a lot about the veracity 602 00:32:27,210 --> 00:32:23,940 of his story 603 00:32:33,389 --> 00:32:27,220 hey now bill when you you only how many 604 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:33,399 episodes of UFO Hunters were aired we 605 00:32:43,649 --> 00:32:38,730 did three seasons of 30 about 39 39 606 00:32:45,570 --> 00:32:43,659 yeah and did you ever do a show where 607 00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:45,580 you talked about the connection between 608 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:49,320 Bigfoot and UFOs did that ever come up 609 00:32:54,029 --> 00:32:51,970 no never did because we never ventured 610 00:32:59,070 --> 00:32:54,039 into the field of cryptozoology on the 611 00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,080 show I mean because actually Johnny was 612 00:33:02,210 --> 00:33:01,360 the only witness who talked about that 613 00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:02,220 connection 614 00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:05,110 well I'm thinking no we're having Stan 615 00:33:10,289 --> 00:33:08,289 Gordon on I think in February is that 616 00:33:12,749 --> 00:33:10,299 right Tim yes that's correct 617 00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:12,759 oh and of course now they had the flap 618 00:33:20,340 --> 00:33:17,200 there in Pennsylvania in 1970 was it 73 619 00:33:22,369 --> 00:33:20,350 yes where it was 19 it was it was a 620 00:33:24,629 --> 00:33:22,379 Kecksburg 1965 621 00:33:27,749 --> 00:33:24,639 yeah Kecksburg but there were all these 622 00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:27,759 other reports that Stan investigated 623 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:32,710 that involved the bigfoot-type creatures 624 00:33:35,310 --> 00:33:34,570 and the UFO reports were coming in at 625 00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:35,320 the same time 626 00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:39,129 in fact Seth Breedlove who was on the 627 00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:41,769 air a couple of weeks ago with us he's 628 00:33:47,129 --> 00:33:44,769 just done a film about this whole way 629 00:33:49,820 --> 00:33:47,139 incident where there were you witnesses 630 00:33:51,690 --> 00:33:49,830 to UFOs in connection with these Bigfoot 631 00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:51,700 creatures that were being seen 632 00:33:57,690 --> 00:33:53,289 throughout Pennsylvania Pennsylvania 633 00:34:00,840 --> 00:33:57,700 seems to be like a really key area for a 634 00:34:02,940 --> 00:34:00,850 lot of this activity today we've got the 635 00:34:04,940 --> 00:34:02,950 dog man no have you kept up on the dog 636 00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:04,950 man sightings 637 00:34:13,530 --> 00:34:12,250 no sorry to have slipped that in I 638 00:34:17,569 --> 00:34:13,540 thought maybe you were you know here 639 00:34:21,149 --> 00:34:17,579 reading the news letters of the older 640 00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:21,159 dog no but it's funny because I did hear 641 00:34:29,289 --> 00:34:21,919 I 642 00:34:32,049 --> 00:34:29,299 Pennsylvania that they really are a lot 643 00:34:36,099 --> 00:34:32,059 of Bigfoot sightings we spoke to a lot 644 00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:36,109 of people at the at one of the former 645 00:34:42,460 --> 00:34:39,190 Bucks County UFO conferences yeah and 646 00:34:45,789 --> 00:34:42,470 they were poetic about they knew exactly 647 00:34:49,629 --> 00:34:45,799 where these feet of these creatures were 648 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:49,639 they want to find them they and so I 649 00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,649 said you know why don't you lead an 650 00:34:55,479 --> 00:34:53,599 expedition into those emanates that they 651 00:34:58,259 --> 00:34:55,489 didn't want to do it was scary they were 652 00:35:02,079 --> 00:34:58,269 not they were not friendly creatures 653 00:35:03,849 --> 00:35:02,089 well we were told that the this dog man 654 00:35:07,569 --> 00:35:03,859 and that's been seen throughout 655 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:07,579 Pennsylvania has the body of arnold 656 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:09,650 schwarzenegger and the face of a pit 657 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:27,890 bull which was working on Expendables 658 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:31,930 before I guess or something right hey 659 00:35:37,210 --> 00:35:34,609 Johnny could you continue with the the 660 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:37,220 story there about the the air creatures 661 00:35:43,259 --> 00:35:41,450 in the fire yeah I apologize - yeah no I 662 00:35:46,799 --> 00:35:43,269 just had been long gone another hospital 663 00:35:49,299 --> 00:35:46,809 annotators amount of pneumonia here so 664 00:35:51,970 --> 00:35:49,309 never a breathing problem it's going 665 00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:51,980 around and I hear the shot isn't working 666 00:35:57,309 --> 00:35:53,569 too well this year I don't know for the 667 00:36:03,720 --> 00:35:57,319 fluid in the my yeah that's true but 668 00:36:13,450 --> 00:36:07,509 polygraph examiner and he gave me a test 669 00:36:16,779 --> 00:36:13,460 and he said he asked if I really seen 670 00:36:19,569 --> 00:36:16,789 two creatures in the desert where they 671 00:36:23,229 --> 00:36:19,579 paled of why did not say and I said yes 672 00:36:26,289 --> 00:36:23,239 and he said did they talk to me without 673 00:36:32,759 --> 00:36:26,299 talking through their mouths and I told 674 00:36:35,710 --> 00:36:32,769 him yes and he said were these creatures 675 00:36:38,770 --> 00:36:35,720 somebody that you knew was seen before 676 00:36:40,990 --> 00:36:38,780 I said no never seen him before and he 677 00:36:45,250 --> 00:36:41,000 said and you believed him to meet aliens 678 00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:45,260 and I said yes I did and and he asked 679 00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:47,270 that's a lot of questions and when he 680 00:36:51,579 --> 00:36:49,910 got done he got up and he looked at the 681 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:51,589 people it was standing at there were 682 00:36:55,569 --> 00:36:53,930 some people from the Aral phenomenal 683 00:36:59,920 --> 00:36:55,579 Research Center out of Tucson Arizona 684 00:37:03,520 --> 00:36:59,930 there and he said the man's telling the 685 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:03,530 real truth he said everything he's told 686 00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:07,970 is unab sense of truth and so you know 687 00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:12,609 and then I had a doctor Leo sprinkle 688 00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:17,839 which was a hypnotist that came in and 689 00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:22,310 he did a voice analysis and hypnosis on 690 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:25,670 me and he again said that what I told 691 00:37:33,490 --> 00:37:27,770 was he said what the man said he'd say 692 00:37:36,490 --> 00:37:33,500 anything and uh anyway this strange 693 00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:36,500 bizarre was really after being gamma the 694 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:40,790 encounter was enough but there was I was 695 00:37:48,970 --> 00:37:44,089 at the the Sahara Hotel there in Las 696 00:37:54,339 --> 00:37:48,980 Vegas and the manager what it needed to 697 00:37:58,540 --> 00:37:54,349 have an artist new artist rendition of 698 00:38:01,480 --> 00:37:58,550 the foot the aliens look like and we 699 00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:01,490 were doing that and we were sitting in 700 00:38:10,660 --> 00:38:07,609 in the in the lobby of the hotel and why 701 00:38:12,490 --> 00:38:10,670 we were doing they were asking the 702 00:38:14,620 --> 00:38:12,500 artist of that well what do you think 703 00:38:19,390 --> 00:38:14,630 they're from and I said I have no idea 704 00:38:23,530 --> 00:38:19,400 and two men walked up they were in black 705 00:38:27,220 --> 00:38:23,540 suits and all black hats and both look 706 00:38:29,650 --> 00:38:27,230 dressed alike that look like undercover 707 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:29,660 agent for the FBI is up like a million 708 00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:32,450 black only uh only uh Tommy Lee Jones 709 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:38,000 and wheels field show and they said one 710 00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:39,890 of them said they could beat them 711 00:38:47,290 --> 00:38:43,310 serious and of course I didn't know what 712 00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:47,300 there's even talking about me and the 713 00:38:52,690 --> 00:38:49,609 man said what is serious he'd say 714 00:38:55,089 --> 00:38:52,700 well I think it's the 8/9 light-years 715 00:38:58,930 --> 00:38:55,099 from our planet and he said it's known 716 00:39:01,839 --> 00:38:58,940 it's us as a star but it's also known as 717 00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:01,849 the planet and it's half under water and 718 00:39:08,170 --> 00:39:06,049 I hit the land and he said so it would 719 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:08,180 answer for why they had needles on the 720 00:39:13,779 --> 00:39:11,359 side of the face and and nostrils too 721 00:39:16,779 --> 00:39:13,789 because when they were underwater it's 722 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:16,789 like a fish and use the gills and when 723 00:39:22,509 --> 00:39:17,930 they were on land and breathe through 724 00:39:24,279 --> 00:39:22,519 the nostrils and so you know we didn't 725 00:39:26,859 --> 00:39:24,289 know what he's talking about but when 726 00:39:28,809 --> 00:39:26,869 they got ready to go the aliens had told 727 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:28,819 me in the desert when they got rid of 728 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:32,450 the leaf said we gotta go but we'll see 729 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:33,890 you again soon 730 00:39:40,329 --> 00:39:39,170 and so these men and in the back when I 731 00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:40,339 reached over and tapped me on the 732 00:39:45,309 --> 00:39:42,710 shoulder he said we got to go but with 733 00:39:48,370 --> 00:39:45,319 sleet you didn't sleep and when he said 734 00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:48,380 that I had an ache police officer with 735 00:39:54,759 --> 00:39:53,089 me from Philadelphia and the police 736 00:39:56,859 --> 00:39:54,769 officer knew the whole story and he 737 00:39:59,319 --> 00:39:56,869 looked at me and he said you know what 738 00:40:01,450 --> 00:39:59,329 he said that's a yeah and he said I'm a 739 00:40:03,940 --> 00:40:01,460 follower so he followed him down the 740 00:40:09,009 --> 00:40:03,950 hallway and it went out the side door 741 00:40:11,229 --> 00:40:09,019 and he come back and he would said they 742 00:40:14,410 --> 00:40:11,239 like disappeared I mean just think he 743 00:40:16,180 --> 00:40:14,420 and I are they totally disappeared well 744 00:40:19,210 --> 00:40:16,190 we didn't know where they were how they 745 00:40:23,620 --> 00:40:19,220 got away so we finished the artist 746 00:40:27,249 --> 00:40:23,630 picture and we went to his a had a condo 747 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:27,259 there in Vegas and we went to it and on 748 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:29,210 the way we were watching make sure 749 00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:30,650 nobody wouldn't follow us because it 750 00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:34,160 kind of spooked up a little bit John was 751 00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:35,470 his name 752 00:40:41,970 --> 00:40:39,380 about what was going on and so we didn't 753 00:40:45,370 --> 00:40:41,980 see nobody when we got to himself condo 754 00:40:49,089 --> 00:40:45,380 a big Cadillac pulled in then hit the 755 00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:49,099 road and they rolled the window down on 756 00:40:55,989 --> 00:40:51,710 the passenger side and it was those two 757 00:41:01,950 --> 00:40:55,999 men in that Cadillac and he looked up at 758 00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:01,960 us Rover 1 doesn't roll off and 759 00:41:08,359 --> 00:41:04,839 you know it kinda puzzled us all but 760 00:41:12,509 --> 00:41:08,369 then the next day John got a phone call 761 00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:12,519 and he was some people said they were 762 00:41:19,650 --> 00:41:16,240 with done studios out of Las Vegas I 763 00:41:22,859 --> 00:41:19,660 mean out of California and they wanted 764 00:41:27,509 --> 00:41:22,869 to speak with me but they were doing the 765 00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:27,519 documentary only incidents that happened 766 00:41:34,980 --> 00:41:32,710 not only blew down highway and so John 767 00:41:36,509 --> 00:41:34,990 says well he's not really cared much 768 00:41:38,099 --> 00:41:36,519 about talking about it and they said 769 00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:38,109 well we just want asking a few questions 770 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:42,160 we'll take the time and I said well tell 771 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:44,890 him yet so we went over there and they 772 00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:48,210 were in this big complex building and 773 00:41:56,579 --> 00:41:52,720 second floor we went up and knocked on 774 00:42:00,480 --> 00:41:56,589 the door and one of them opened the 775 00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:00,490 doors and they invite us in well when we 776 00:42:06,749 --> 00:42:03,220 got in there was three men and the other 777 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:06,759 one was with him and another one where 778 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:08,890 he didn't speak he stood in the corner 779 00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:11,890 in the back of the room but but these 780 00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:13,990 were these are normal like businessmen 781 00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:15,430 right I mean they weren't men in black 782 00:42:21,569 --> 00:42:18,609 were they oh well they they were risking 783 00:42:24,749 --> 00:42:21,579 black but they were Caucasian looking 784 00:42:28,289 --> 00:42:24,759 people they lacked it's they acted real 785 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:28,299 strange and he was the same man that 786 00:42:33,569 --> 00:42:31,690 we've seen into Vegas hotel saying that 787 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:33,579 they were a feeling company out of 788 00:42:43,380 --> 00:42:40,450 California and so you know I mean it's 789 00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:43,390 room that we were in this uh we went in 790 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:45,910 the living room with a most unusual 791 00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:50,130 plenty of things the furniture was 792 00:42:56,940 --> 00:42:53,440 totally bizarre from like another 793 00:43:00,660 --> 00:42:56,950 country totally from another country in 794 00:43:03,539 --> 00:43:00,670 a way and went way Johnny well it was 795 00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:03,549 unusual looking stuff it was like I 796 00:43:10,170 --> 00:43:05,920 don't know something like you'd take a 797 00:43:13,950 --> 00:43:10,180 polymer appear to me into something you 798 00:43:15,269 --> 00:43:13,960 know that weird status' stuff that stood 799 00:43:19,759 --> 00:43:15,279 around and 800 00:43:24,089 --> 00:43:19,769 Oh pictures that were not really of 801 00:43:26,279 --> 00:43:24,099 anything of anybody but we're growing on 802 00:43:28,409 --> 00:43:26,289 the wall yeah and but they claim they 803 00:43:31,439 --> 00:43:28,419 claim that they were a production 804 00:43:34,579 --> 00:43:31,449 company claimed to be they've done 805 00:43:37,229 --> 00:43:34,589 productions out of a California uh-huh 806 00:43:40,649 --> 00:43:37,239 but you didn't you didn't check at the 807 00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,659 time if any such outfit really exists 808 00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:42,640 that of course production companies come 809 00:43:49,649 --> 00:43:45,369 and go at a pretty quick 810 00:43:51,809 --> 00:43:49,659 you know rapid raid anyway yeah we would 811 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:51,819 really trial I mean we we wouldn't we 812 00:43:57,390 --> 00:43:53,890 wouldn't do anything except give them a 813 00:44:00,899 --> 00:43:57,400 little information out of what happened 814 00:44:03,870 --> 00:44:00,909 so you know when the reason to get too 815 00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:03,880 involved with them but anyway they asked 816 00:44:10,019 --> 00:44:07,839 me if I doing the favor of us going out 817 00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:10,029 to the desert where it actually took 818 00:44:19,969 --> 00:44:16,209 place and show it to him and I said well 819 00:44:26,609 --> 00:44:19,979 I'll go with him and it's at anytime and 820 00:44:28,349 --> 00:44:26,619 so we met at one of the hotels and they 821 00:44:32,339 --> 00:44:28,359 told me that said they meet me at the 822 00:44:36,299 --> 00:44:32,349 front lobby the one we got past the 823 00:44:39,630 --> 00:44:36,309 parking lot was full and we couldn't get 824 00:44:44,189 --> 00:44:39,640 a parking space to except way out at the 825 00:44:46,649 --> 00:44:44,199 next to the highway and when we finally 826 00:44:49,439 --> 00:44:46,659 got parked I told him John we got to 827 00:44:52,529 --> 00:44:49,449 walk through this Lobby and find these 828 00:44:54,809 --> 00:44:52,539 guys all of a sudden here they pulled up 829 00:44:58,649 --> 00:44:54,819 right in front of us and that's black 830 00:45:02,279 --> 00:44:58,659 Cadillac and one of them got out of the 831 00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:02,289 passenger side and open the door and he 832 00:45:06,529 --> 00:45:04,689 reached in and he had to look like 833 00:45:11,459 --> 00:45:06,539 martinis in his hands 834 00:45:14,579 --> 00:45:11,469 martini yeah and he reached in and me 835 00:45:18,749 --> 00:45:14,589 once and and John was he said brought 836 00:45:20,819 --> 00:45:18,759 you guys a drink hmm and so we got in 837 00:45:24,209 --> 00:45:20,829 the car with him they wanted to get him 838 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:24,219 we got in the backseat and I looked at 839 00:45:27,959 --> 00:45:27,249 God I said about the drunk guy I didn't 840 00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:27,969 want that drink 841 00:45:32,220 --> 00:45:29,320 so I actually pulled it 842 00:45:35,220 --> 00:45:32,230 the floorboards and so John Deere too 843 00:45:39,090 --> 00:45:35,230 when you see me pull mine out and we 844 00:45:41,220 --> 00:45:39,100 rode out to the spot where I said when 845 00:45:41,790 --> 00:45:41,230 we got to have I told him it's right 846 00:45:46,890 --> 00:45:41,800 here 847 00:45:48,450 --> 00:45:46,900 well they kept going and so when they 848 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:48,460 kept going like that 849 00:45:56,070 --> 00:45:52,810 I said no no no you past where where I'm 850 00:45:58,590 --> 00:45:56,080 talking about and they didn't say 851 00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:58,600 nothing and they went up about four 852 00:46:04,020 --> 00:46:01,380 miles and then they made a u-turn and 853 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:04,030 pulled over to the side of the room and 854 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:08,170 when they did lights on the other side 855 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:14,250 the road I'd say 20 to 30 headlights 856 00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:19,690 come on over there and the driver says 857 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:22,480 we got to get out you're 60 well that 858 00:46:32,730 --> 00:46:24,130 was that must have really spooked you 859 00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:32,740 out all right let's let's let's hold it 860 00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,750 right there because we have to go to our 861 00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:36,640 top of the hour break we'll continue 862 00:46:41,970 --> 00:46:39,760 this story when we come back in a few 863 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:41,980 minutes on exploring the bizarre so 864 00:47:03,590 --> 00:47:00,930 explore the bazaars are your e-ticket 865 00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:03,600 ride into the world of the paranormal 866 00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:06,910 strap yourself in as we traverse the 867 00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:11,220 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 868 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:14,310 ghosts Lost Worlds 869 00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:16,690 cryptozoology waters as well as other 870 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:20,560 dimensions it's time to take back the 871 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:25,690 night now your electrifying hosts of 872 00:47:36,450 --> 00:47:28,810 exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and 873 00:47:38,430 --> 00:47:36,460 team sports and welcome back to the 874 00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:38,440 second hour of exploring the bizarre 875 00:47:43,530 --> 00:47:41,380 tonight we're talking with Johnny sands 876 00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:43,540 and Bill burns and I'm hoping that 877 00:47:50,220 --> 00:47:47,200 sometime in the show until we get a bill 878 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:50,230 to talk about his latest book Edison vs. 879 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:55,090 Tesla for yeah I mean you know I just I 880 00:48:01,560 --> 00:47:56,890 just happen to have just a mild interest 881 00:48:05,850 --> 00:48:01,570 and you know I know just because you 882 00:48:07,470 --> 00:48:05,860 happen to be the author of the actually 883 00:48:09,540 --> 00:48:07,480 best-selling I mean it's been selling 884 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:09,550 they talked about up there in the ranks 885 00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:11,890 on Amazon for the last how many years 886 00:48:16,650 --> 00:48:14,110 since the original editions of the lost 887 00:48:20,190 --> 00:48:16,660 journals and the kameena but what is 888 00:48:25,590 --> 00:48:20,200 like 18 years now no way really that's 889 00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:25,600 18 years that's a long time for a book 890 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:28,750 to take care to have a run 891 00:48:33,690 --> 00:48:31,330 I mean seriously well that's one thing 892 00:48:36,660 --> 00:48:33,700 about that Amazon I mean for better or 893 00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:36,670 for worse they they do keep a book they 894 00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:38,380 will keep a book in in print and 895 00:48:44,060 --> 00:48:41,200 circulating you forever I mean books 896 00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,070 ones and what would normally have long 897 00:48:50,220 --> 00:48:47,200 you know like live there outlive their 898 00:48:54,420 --> 00:48:50,230 shelf life which is one in the bookstore 899 00:48:56,250 --> 00:48:54,430 bill about six months yeah books will 900 00:48:58,740 --> 00:48:56,260 stay in the bookstores about six months 901 00:49:00,800 --> 00:48:58,750 to a year and then they and and then the 902 00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:00,810 publisher has to make a decision I mean 903 00:49:03,690 --> 00:49:03,250 the print publisher has a big decision 904 00:49:07,260 --> 00:49:03,700 to make 905 00:49:10,530 --> 00:49:07,270 do I pay to keep this thing in the 906 00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:10,540 imprint or do I go on 907 00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:12,910 for it to satisfy the other chain 908 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:15,100 bookstores that's the other question you 909 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:16,810 know yes bookstores don't want to have 910 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:19,450 only one book and on the store they want 911 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:20,650 to have a few books and want to have 912 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:22,810 would want to know that the publisher is 913 00:49:27,180 --> 00:49:25,330 supporting the book so that's one of the 914 00:49:28,980 --> 00:49:27,190 questions and then at a certain point a 915 00:49:33,530 --> 00:49:28,990 publisher is going to say it's more 916 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:33,540 expensive for me go back on press and 917 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:36,250 reprint these books to supply the 918 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:38,050 bookstores I'll just let it go out of 919 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:38,410 print 920 00:49:44,970 --> 00:49:41,290 well the nice part about Amazon is yes 921 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:44,980 because it doesn't matter to them that 922 00:49:49,830 --> 00:49:46,930 they will have ebooks they will have 923 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:49,840 books on on Kindle they will be able to 924 00:49:55,020 --> 00:49:52,450 order books from stock that are they 925 00:49:58,740 --> 00:49:55,030 will keep books on hand and what else 926 00:50:01,200 --> 00:49:58,750 you know it's it's a basic 20 years yeah 927 00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,210 it's amazing with them you know we have 928 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:03,520 customers all over the world and the 929 00:50:07,170 --> 00:50:05,770 majority of them do order from Amazon 930 00:50:08,820 --> 00:50:07,180 and I can see why they get their books 931 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:08,830 and I always say to get their books 932 00:50:13,770 --> 00:50:10,330 quicker than it takes me to get to the 933 00:50:15,690 --> 00:50:13,780 post office to be uh you know honest 934 00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:15,700 with you and and people all over that I 935 00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:16,960 don't know if they're printing some of 936 00:50:20,610 --> 00:50:18,760 these books um you know the books on 937 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:20,620 demand when they first started coming 938 00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:22,330 out they were kind of shoddy looking now 939 00:50:25,650 --> 00:50:23,710 they're the same as the books that you 940 00:50:28,860 --> 00:50:25,660 see in the bookstore you can't tell the 941 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:28,870 difference between even put yeah and and 942 00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:33,370 and most of the works like ya know we've 943 00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:36,160 got a book on on on Peter Falk that we 944 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:38,920 published ourselves yeah that we have it 945 00:50:43,980 --> 00:50:41,530 as a print on demand and as an e-book 946 00:50:48,180 --> 00:50:43,990 and the book is selling every month we 947 00:50:49,860 --> 00:50:48,190 get our we get sales reports or we will 948 00:50:54,270 --> 00:50:49,870 do one of these retrospective radio 949 00:50:57,090 --> 00:50:54,280 shows the television show Columbo and 950 00:51:00,120 --> 00:50:57,100 Peter Falk and we'll get a few sales and 951 00:51:02,130 --> 00:51:00,130 the fact is it's a print on demand so 952 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:02,140 you're not paying for the print the 953 00:51:07,470 --> 00:51:04,930 buyer is paying for the book yes stored 954 00:51:12,180 --> 00:51:07,480 digitally so there's no inventory per se 955 00:51:13,770 --> 00:51:12,190 and if you if if if if you're not going 956 00:51:16,290 --> 00:51:13,780 to get into advance from a publisher 957 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:16,300 yeah their monthly do-it-yourself really 958 00:51:20,850 --> 00:51:18,330 a really good way to go yeah absolutely 959 00:51:23,490 --> 00:51:20,860 well you know we did that we did a book 960 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:23,500 just recently uh for the last couple 961 00:51:25,859 --> 00:51:24,490 years we've been doing 962 00:51:28,859 --> 00:51:25,869 pretty much in the house you know where 963 00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:28,869 our various associates like Shawn 964 00:51:33,420 --> 00:51:30,910 conceal intemperance will work on a book 965 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:33,430 and we invite other freelancers to you 966 00:51:38,580 --> 00:51:36,970 know contribute the material but I was 967 00:51:41,010 --> 00:51:38,590 at a conversation with Reverend Barry 968 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:41,020 downing who did them one of the original 969 00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:43,090 books back I think the first year that 970 00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:45,520 van Daniken that came out with Chariots 971 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:47,110 of the Gods about flying saucers in the 972 00:51:51,390 --> 00:51:49,330 Bible it was a very good a convert to a 973 00:51:53,820 --> 00:51:51,400 book so I found out that he had a 974 00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:53,830 manuscript had been laying around for 40 975 00:51:59,160 --> 00:51:57,040 years I said well the Reverend doctor 976 00:52:01,620 --> 00:51:59,170 downing get in there give us a you know 977 00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:01,630 a new chapter or two and we put it out 978 00:52:05,850 --> 00:52:03,670 it it's it's been it's been selling like 979 00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:05,860 it was almost a you know major publisher 980 00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,240 we're very very impressed by him and and 981 00:52:14,609 --> 00:52:12,640 by the sales of the the book I was a 982 00:52:16,290 --> 00:52:14,619 keys doing better than the publisher but 983 00:52:18,510 --> 00:52:16,300 doing better than me on some of this 984 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:18,520 stuff but you get you have a new book 985 00:52:23,340 --> 00:52:21,130 coming out what after the beginning of 986 00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:23,350 the year about UFOs in the in the White 987 00:52:27,090 --> 00:52:25,119 House yeah the middle of yeah yeah the 988 00:52:30,270 --> 00:52:27,100 middle of January it's some history book 989 00:52:31,890 --> 00:52:30,280 it's on UFOs in the White House what our 990 00:52:36,060 --> 00:52:31,900 presidents know when did they know it 991 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:36,070 and it traces the history of chief 992 00:52:39,690 --> 00:52:37,930 executives of the United States all the 993 00:52:42,270 --> 00:52:39,700 way back before there was a country all 994 00:52:44,490 --> 00:52:42,280 the way back to a governor George win 995 00:52:48,060 --> 00:52:44,500 prop of the Massachusetts Bay Colony 996 00:52:51,810 --> 00:52:48,070 which was really one of the first UFO 997 00:52:55,470 --> 00:52:51,820 sightings by the pilgrims all the way 998 00:52:57,420 --> 00:52:55,480 back in the 17th century and it added 999 00:53:00,090 --> 00:52:57,430 they're saying it what did they see 1000 00:53:02,849 --> 00:53:00,100 well what they saw there were two 1001 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:02,859 fishermen on the Charles River north of 1002 00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:05,290 Boston Charles River separates Boston 1003 00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:07,630 and Cambridge and there were these two 1004 00:53:12,750 --> 00:53:09,730 fishermen and they were and they had a 1005 00:53:15,630 --> 00:53:12,760 lighter you know a small cargo boat and 1006 00:53:18,510 --> 00:53:15,640 they saw this hanging light over the 1007 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:18,520 Charles River and they began to row down 1008 00:53:23,370 --> 00:53:20,890 towards the light and the next thing 1009 00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:23,380 they knew they were back at the 1010 00:53:26,940 --> 00:53:25,510 beginning of the river so they were had 1011 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:26,950 they would have had to have row again 1012 00:53:32,460 --> 00:53:29,530 rode against the current they were back 1013 00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:32,470 at the how are they started and they had 1014 00:53:37,410 --> 00:53:35,710 no sense of the passage of time they 1015 00:53:38,410 --> 00:53:37,420 didn't know how they got there so 1016 00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:38,420 there's a UFO 1017 00:53:43,539 --> 00:53:40,400 it was changing shape in front of us 1018 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:43,549 they tried to get closer to it they 1019 00:53:50,620 --> 00:53:47,450 somehow had missing time hours later 1020 00:53:52,270 --> 00:53:50,630 they became I think well I think we lost 1021 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:52,280 bill there for a minute Tim we'll have 1022 00:53:56,650 --> 00:53:54,770 to continue this conversation would we 1023 00:54:00,670 --> 00:53:56,660 would Tina or wonderful producer get 1024 00:54:03,609 --> 00:54:00,680 your back getting back here we are and 1025 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:03,619 government up 30 days Rob yeah there I 1026 00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:05,450 am and governor winter up call them 1027 00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,040 sober individuals 1028 00:54:10,809 --> 00:54:09,200 he said that they weren't lying they 1029 00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:10,819 were sober they weren't given to 1030 00:54:16,210 --> 00:54:13,849 drunkenness and he reported that he 1031 00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,220 found this a very and he put this whole 1032 00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:18,559 story into the history of the 1033 00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:22,160 Massachusetts Bay Colony and so that and 1034 00:54:30,940 --> 00:54:25,280 so that's the first chapter about how 1035 00:54:32,650 --> 00:54:30,950 these um stories began even before there 1036 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:32,660 was a United States of America and then 1037 00:54:37,059 --> 00:54:34,130 we go to the George what the famous 1038 00:54:39,630 --> 00:54:37,069 George Washington story of the two UFO 1039 00:54:43,329 --> 00:54:39,640 sightings he said he had it Valley Forge 1040 00:54:46,420 --> 00:54:43,339 one of which was a sighting in which 1041 00:54:50,799 --> 00:54:46,430 when he was lieutenant colonel in the 1042 00:54:52,809 --> 00:54:50,809 colonial militia from Virginia the 1043 00:54:54,609 --> 00:54:52,819 British during the French and Indian War 1044 00:54:56,890 --> 00:54:54,619 were invading Pennsylvania they were 1045 00:55:00,160 --> 00:54:56,900 dating they were trying to take Fort 1046 00:55:03,010 --> 00:55:00,170 Duquesne from the French and George 1047 00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:03,020 Washington was accompanying General 1048 00:55:10,420 --> 00:55:07,040 Braddock over the Monongahela River to 1049 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:10,430 invade for to a capture fort duquesne 1050 00:55:17,799 --> 00:55:14,089 and the Indians shot General Braddock 1051 00:55:21,069 --> 00:55:17,809 and George Washington evacuated the 1052 00:55:22,990 --> 00:55:21,079 general and one of the Chiefs that were 1053 00:55:25,660 --> 00:55:23,000 fighting alongside the French had 1054 00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:25,670 Washington in his sights and he said 1055 00:55:32,410 --> 00:55:29,359 that he was about to fire at Washington 1056 00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:32,420 and he had him dead in his sights and he 1057 00:55:36,849 --> 00:55:34,910 saw the image of the Great Spirit Orlan 1058 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:36,859 Washington and he put his life all down 1059 00:55:41,950 --> 00:55:38,690 he wouldn't shoot him because and that 1060 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:41,960 same Indian chief Washington said came 1061 00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:44,450 to visit him at Valley Forge after the 1062 00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:47,089 Indian chief had died hmm and told him 1063 00:55:51,339 --> 00:55:48,559 he would wind up and he would win the 1064 00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:51,349 war against rape and so there are these 1065 00:55:54,430 --> 00:55:52,400 stories that one 1066 00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:54,440 away from the beginning of the United 1067 00:55:59,819 --> 00:55:56,690 States through Abraham Lincoln of course 1068 00:56:03,460 --> 00:55:59,829 the John F Kennedy chapter is very wrong 1069 00:56:05,130 --> 00:56:03,470 and then all the modern stories that 1070 00:56:08,980 --> 00:56:05,140 affected the George Bush administration 1071 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:08,990 the Barack Obama administration or the 1072 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:11,210 UFO story swirling around the Hillary 1073 00:56:17,549 --> 00:56:14,930 Clinton Donald Trump election last year 1074 00:56:21,250 --> 00:56:17,559 and that's the book and it's coming out 1075 00:56:24,779 --> 00:56:21,260 just about a month well that will be a 1076 00:56:27,309 --> 00:56:24,789 that sounds like a good a good topic to 1077 00:56:28,990 --> 00:56:27,319 with all the interest in politics and 1078 00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:29,000 international dealings today that 1079 00:56:35,260 --> 00:56:32,089 certainly sounds like a a topic to to 1080 00:56:38,740 --> 00:56:35,270 hit upon yeah it's it was a funny book 1081 00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,750 to write and that's what's coming out 1082 00:56:42,579 --> 00:56:40,160 and then I'm working on some other books 1083 00:56:44,380 --> 00:56:42,589 of course a to build of course bro to 1084 00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:44,390 you know yeah you know Christopher 1085 00:56:50,740 --> 00:56:47,089 Columbus wrote in his diary on his way 1086 00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:50,750 to the god-knows-where here that he had 1087 00:56:56,890 --> 00:56:52,430 had a UFO sighting or something had 1088 00:57:03,549 --> 00:56:56,900 dipped into the ocean before before so 1089 00:57:05,289 --> 00:57:03,559 just yeah a week before the flotilla we 1090 00:57:07,890 --> 00:57:05,299 needed a pinch of the Santa Maria a week 1091 00:57:10,690 --> 00:57:07,900 before they reached Hispaniola in 1092 00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:10,700 October this this would be early October 1093 00:57:18,700 --> 00:57:16,609 1492 in Columbus aslaug he wrote that as 1094 00:57:22,269 --> 00:57:18,710 they were approaching Billerica 1095 00:57:24,579 --> 00:57:22,279 Hispaniola he saw a bright shiny object 1096 00:57:26,529 --> 00:57:24,589 under the water following his craft and 1097 00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:26,539 the object she got up out of the water 1098 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:28,880 went into the sky and he and he ordered 1099 00:57:35,140 --> 00:57:33,770 his his scribe to write that into the 1100 00:57:37,420 --> 00:57:35,150 captain's log that they had this 1101 00:57:41,799 --> 00:57:37,430 sighting and that was the birth USO 1102 00:57:43,930 --> 00:57:41,809 sighting in North America now these are 1103 00:57:45,849 --> 00:57:43,940 these early sightings you know nowadays 1104 00:57:48,220 --> 00:57:45,859 people you don't see these things over 1105 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:48,230 you know - UFOs alien spacecraft that 1106 00:57:52,930 --> 00:57:48,890 sort of thing 1107 00:57:55,329 --> 00:57:52,940 what did any of these people attempt or 1108 00:57:58,599 --> 00:57:55,339 any kind of explanations you know back 1109 00:58:02,450 --> 00:57:58,609 in these these very early sightings 1110 00:58:04,940 --> 00:58:02,460 no I mean nobody knew what UFOs were 1111 00:58:06,739 --> 00:58:04,950 back in the 17th century certainly not 1112 00:58:10,339 --> 00:58:06,749 in the 16th century in the 15th century 1113 00:58:13,849 --> 00:58:10,349 and so they just looked at them as 1114 00:58:15,859 --> 00:58:13,859 really odd portents odd omens Columbus 1115 00:58:18,979 --> 00:58:15,869 saw this as a great omen that he would 1116 00:58:23,209 --> 00:58:18,989 discover something wonderful when he had 1117 00:58:26,269 --> 00:58:23,219 this sighting the the sightings in the 1118 00:58:29,420 --> 00:58:26,279 Middle Ages of the flying shields and 1119 00:58:32,569 --> 00:58:29,430 the Flying crosses these were all looked 1120 00:58:36,229 --> 00:58:32,579 at as either good or ill omens and it 1121 00:58:38,299 --> 00:58:36,239 really wasn't until I would say the 19th 1122 00:58:40,609 --> 00:58:38,309 century per say that we began seeing 1123 00:58:44,509 --> 00:58:40,619 something that people begin describing 1124 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:44,519 it as different things and one of the 1125 00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:46,890 stories that I love from UFO Hunters as 1126 00:58:53,959 --> 00:58:50,880 well as from history was the 1897 Texas 1127 00:58:58,430 --> 00:58:53,969 airship mystery where nobody knew what 1128 00:59:01,579 --> 00:58:58,440 this thing was but at the time it was a 1129 00:59:04,130 --> 00:59:01,589 very conventional craft that a lot of 1130 00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:04,140 southwestern sportsmen had they were 1131 00:59:09,739 --> 00:59:05,910 there's a lot of experimenting with 1132 00:59:11,690 --> 00:59:09,749 balloons back in the very late 19th 1133 00:59:15,410 --> 00:59:11,700 century and when the spanish-american 1134 00:59:17,989 --> 00:59:15,420 war broke out they were a number of 1135 00:59:19,969 --> 00:59:17,999 individual sportsmen it has to be very 1136 00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:19,979 wealthy to have these things who had 1137 00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:24,210 these ironclad balloons and they their 1138 00:59:33,769 --> 00:59:29,609 idea was to navigate them to Cuba and 1139 00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:33,779 attack the Spanish and of course a lot 1140 00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:36,599 of them went down and you saw a lot of 1141 00:59:40,999 --> 00:59:39,599 UFO sightings of these things people 1142 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:41,009 didn't know what they were and that was 1143 00:59:47,140 --> 00:59:44,930 the Texas airship mystery of 1897 oh 1144 00:59:50,509 --> 00:59:47,150 yeah there are a number of you uh 1145 00:59:54,529 --> 00:59:50,519 newspaper accounts of people 1146 00:59:56,059 --> 00:59:54,539 encountering these craft and the the 1147 00:59:58,670 --> 00:59:56,069 pilots saying that they were handy 1148 01:00:00,829 --> 00:59:58,680 heading down to help fight the 1149 01:00:02,209 --> 01:00:00,839 spanish-american war and it's like you 1150 01:00:03,559 --> 01:00:02,219 said it but it makes me wonder whatever 1151 01:00:05,690 --> 01:00:03,569 happened to them you know ended up 1152 01:00:10,459 --> 01:00:05,700 drowning in the Gulf of Mexico somewhere 1153 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:10,469 I guess right and things went down in in 1154 01:00:15,870 --> 01:00:12,010 the in the case the 89 1155 01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:15,880 seven Texas airship mystery the the 1156 01:00:21,690 --> 01:00:18,400 pilot of that one balloon couldn't keep 1157 01:00:25,230 --> 01:00:21,700 it aloft and it's the windmills of this 1158 01:00:27,690 --> 01:00:25,240 fan on this judge's property and the 1159 01:00:30,210 --> 01:00:27,700 thing powered by a gasoline combustion 1160 01:00:33,210 --> 01:00:30,220 engine just blew right up it was 1161 01:00:35,850 --> 01:00:33,220 aluminum clad it blew up there were 1162 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:35,860 charged that that fell into the well and 1163 01:00:41,010 --> 01:00:39,130 then but this this whole story grew up 1164 01:00:42,990 --> 01:00:41,020 about the strange craft well it was a 1165 01:00:46,110 --> 01:00:43,000 craft that came down the day before in 1166 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:46,120 another city of Texas and folks came 1167 01:00:50,730 --> 01:00:48,130 running out to see what it was they met 1168 01:00:52,620 --> 01:00:50,740 the pilot the pilot took off again he 1169 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:52,630 fixed his craft and took off again and 1170 01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:54,850 this is what hit Betts and this would 1171 01:01:01,110 --> 01:00:57,730 hit that the fan blades that were 1172 01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:01,120 powering that well pump on this property 1173 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:04,090 and and the judge who owned the property 1174 01:01:12,090 --> 01:01:07,810 had gout so his hand swelled up and and 1175 01:01:14,310 --> 01:01:12,100 and and the war surrounded it was that 1176 01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:14,320 oh he drank the water of the well and he 1177 01:01:20,250 --> 01:01:16,960 couldn't contract the strange alien 1178 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:20,260 disease in his hand no was gout and his 1179 01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:24,010 hands exploded oh yeah I saw I saw I saw 1180 01:01:27,900 --> 01:01:26,050 pictures of that guy's hands and you 1181 01:01:29,940 --> 01:01:27,910 know I could see where somebody would 1182 01:01:32,550 --> 01:01:29,950 jump to that conclusion that he had some 1183 01:01:35,310 --> 01:01:32,560 kind of you know radiation poisoning or 1184 01:01:37,290 --> 01:01:35,320 something you know when you look at your 1185 01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:37,300 hands when you're having doubt and had 1186 01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:42,240 this experience like I I can't have 1187 01:01:46,350 --> 01:01:44,770 there were so I can't have anchovies 1188 01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:46,360 anymore because I'll get gout because 1189 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:48,850 the oil is so intense when you see your 1190 01:01:55,380 --> 01:01:52,330 hands explode I mean really puff up from 1191 01:01:57,330 --> 01:01:55,390 it it dawns on you that's what this 1192 01:02:00,660 --> 01:01:57,340 judge must have had and sure enough his 1193 01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:00,670 his ancestor who he spoke to said yeah 1194 01:02:06,180 --> 01:02:03,520 he had this condition his hands would 1195 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:06,190 swell affiliate the wrong food that's a 1196 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:10,450 gout well I wonder I want to bring a 1197 01:02:16,350 --> 01:02:12,490 Johnny back into the conversation we had 1198 01:02:19,170 --> 01:02:16,360 to interrupt his story when we went to 1199 01:02:22,290 --> 01:02:19,180 the break and so Johnny if you want to 1200 01:02:23,940 --> 01:02:22,300 continue that I think we we left off 1201 01:02:26,460 --> 01:02:23,950 where you had been 1202 01:02:28,650 --> 01:02:26,470 picked up by these these gentlemen and 1203 01:02:32,310 --> 01:02:28,660 driven out to the desert turned around 1204 01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:32,320 and you were faced with I guess a bunch 1205 01:02:38,370 --> 01:02:36,640 of headlights right like I said there's 1206 01:02:41,790 --> 01:02:38,380 twenty or thirty he looked like a 1207 01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:41,800 headlights across the street from us and 1208 01:02:46,740 --> 01:02:45,250 these two men they they said we got to 1209 01:02:50,220 --> 01:02:46,750 get out of you sit still 1210 01:02:52,109 --> 01:02:50,230 and so John now stayed in the car well 1211 01:02:53,550 --> 01:02:52,119 they met a man on the other side the 1212 01:02:57,089 --> 01:02:53,560 street didn't it right in the middle of 1213 01:03:01,500 --> 01:02:57,099 highway actually and we could see him 1214 01:03:03,420 --> 01:03:01,510 they were look like in a fuss they were 1215 01:03:06,060 --> 01:03:03,430 passing words one another we couldn't 1216 01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:06,070 hear what they were saying because the 1217 01:03:13,319 --> 01:03:09,609 windows wouldn't roll down because we 1218 01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:13,329 like to switch on so I told Yanis I 1219 01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:15,250 don't know what's going on here but I'm 1220 01:03:22,740 --> 01:03:19,359 gonna find out and so I went to open the 1221 01:03:26,819 --> 01:03:22,750 door on my side I was on the side there 1222 01:03:28,650 --> 01:03:26,829 was a off to the desert only right 1223 01:03:31,770 --> 01:03:28,660 inside the passenger side in the back 1224 01:03:33,980 --> 01:03:31,780 sleeve and when I reached for the door 1225 01:03:37,470 --> 01:03:33,990 to push it open 1226 01:03:41,339 --> 01:03:37,480 have you ever seen the the television 1227 01:03:42,900 --> 01:03:41,349 shows amongst us oh sure you know that 1228 01:03:50,490 --> 01:03:42,910 was the thing on there that called 1229 01:03:53,550 --> 01:03:50,500 it it was something like that run up to 1230 01:03:56,730 --> 01:03:53,560 the side of my door and I slammed the 1231 01:04:00,240 --> 01:03:56,740 door back and I said John did you see 1232 01:04:03,390 --> 01:04:00,250 did you see that he said what is that I 1233 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:03,400 said I don't know whatever it is and I 1234 01:04:07,620 --> 01:04:05,530 got to looking at the one I got more 1235 01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:07,630 interested what that plane words and 1236 01:04:12,270 --> 01:04:10,210 what they were doing and it was just 1237 01:04:15,450 --> 01:04:12,280 right there like it was standing I wait 1238 01:04:17,609 --> 01:04:15,460 on me to get out of the car and so I 1239 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:17,619 just said get up watching that paint and 1240 01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:21,490 all of a sudden the two men come around 1241 01:04:25,859 --> 01:04:23,890 got back in the car and I'm still 1242 01:04:28,620 --> 01:04:25,869 watching I asked him I said hey what was 1243 01:04:32,430 --> 01:04:28,630 that right there and there on time spoke 1244 01:04:34,109 --> 01:04:32,440 they didn't say nothing and they got in 1245 01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:34,119 the car and I'm watching that plane as 1246 01:04:37,390 --> 01:04:36,130 I'm leaving and you're still out in the 1247 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:37,400 desert and it 1248 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:41,450 it looked like a very bullish but it was 1249 01:04:47,140 --> 01:04:43,010 all they were moving because you come up 1250 01:04:47,770 --> 01:04:47,150 to my bellow and so they act like it 1251 01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:47,780 wouldn't matter 1252 01:04:56,170 --> 01:04:51,050 and so anyway they drove me back into 1253 01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:56,180 Vegas and asked me to come over for a 1254 01:05:01,270 --> 01:04:58,090 few minutes and we went over to the 1255 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:01,280 apartment and it said we just want you 1256 01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:02,930 to do one thing they finally got to 1257 01:05:11,290 --> 01:05:07,130 talking he said you said you said you 1258 01:05:15,370 --> 01:05:11,300 are you play music right play music 1259 01:05:17,770 --> 01:05:15,380 that's idea guitar same I said you 1260 01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:17,780 should write about this write about this 1261 01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:20,690 I said what's that - back he could all 1262 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:25,490 that and I I said well you know I 1263 01:05:28,990 --> 01:05:27,290 thought about that I said oh really 1264 01:05:31,690 --> 01:05:29,000 interesting you do anything they say 1265 01:05:33,850 --> 01:05:31,700 well you should write about it and one 1266 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:33,860 of them started telling me some words he 1267 01:05:38,590 --> 01:05:36,650 said you know you know you know he was 1268 01:05:42,340 --> 01:05:38,600 late for this night putting his team 1269 01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:42,350 along and in the desert and I said in 1270 01:05:46,330 --> 01:05:44,570 the father yeah I said you had to do 1271 01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:46,340 some of that and this will put it 1272 01:05:52,060 --> 01:05:49,250 together and we read you tomorrow 1273 01:05:55,540 --> 01:05:52,070 and like I could do the right quick so 1274 01:05:59,830 --> 01:05:55,550 anyway we got we went left and went back 1275 01:06:01,450 --> 01:05:59,840 to jobs of condominium and so the next 1276 01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:01,460 day I told y'all I said we're going over 1277 01:06:05,620 --> 01:06:03,170 and find out what these guys really walk 1278 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:05,630 cause it made no sense we never stopped 1279 01:06:10,660 --> 01:06:08,330 where we told them to all that's going 1280 01:06:11,260 --> 01:06:10,670 on across the street all that seems a 1281 01:06:13,420 --> 01:06:11,270 little weird 1282 01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:13,430 Romanian he said yeah it is let's go get 1283 01:06:18,250 --> 01:06:15,920 it straight so we went back to Israel 1284 01:06:23,260 --> 01:06:18,260 where they were staying in his complex 1285 01:06:25,930 --> 01:06:23,270 and knocking on the door and a custodian 1286 01:06:28,270 --> 01:06:25,940 was coming at all and he said Stevie can 1287 01:06:33,100 --> 01:06:28,280 I help you I said no we're here to see 1288 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:33,110 these done a group of people here any if 1289 01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:35,210 it were you at the wrong room I said no 1290 01:06:40,510 --> 01:06:38,930 I said they're in this one right here he 1291 01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:40,520 should know that there's nobody in that 1292 01:06:47,020 --> 01:06:44,510 one and I said oh yeah yeah that's it I 1293 01:06:48,430 --> 01:06:47,030 think we go out but they in yeah and he 1294 01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:48,440 said no you don't understand there's 1295 01:06:53,919 --> 01:06:50,809 nobody in bed at all 1296 01:06:57,159 --> 01:06:53,929 oh yes it is Nathan we get him to talk 1297 01:07:01,120 --> 01:06:57,169 to the management so uh we went badly 1298 01:07:03,699 --> 01:07:01,130 and job to the office and I explained 1299 01:07:06,370 --> 01:07:03,709 what we're going on and I said please 1300 01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:06,380 man and she said honey you've got to be 1301 01:07:11,949 --> 01:07:09,650 a little confused here you this maybe 1302 01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:11,959 it's another room I said no ma'am II we 1303 01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:13,849 read how that I can tell you what it 1304 01:07:18,729 --> 01:07:16,249 looks like and everything and I begin 1305 01:07:20,949 --> 01:07:18,739 describing our furniture and she just 1306 01:07:22,959 --> 01:07:20,959 looked at me shaking her head and when I 1307 01:07:24,459 --> 01:07:22,969 said and this beautiful is one of the 1308 01:07:26,019 --> 01:07:24,469 prettiest fireplaces I think I've ever 1309 01:07:28,979 --> 01:07:26,029 seen in my life she said no wait a 1310 01:07:32,380 --> 01:07:28,989 minute you said a fireplace I said yes 1311 01:07:34,959 --> 01:07:32,390 she said come on with me so we went back 1312 01:07:37,539 --> 01:07:34,969 up the staircase and went down to that 1313 01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:37,549 room and she had locked to the wall and 1314 01:07:41,729 --> 01:07:39,890 when she had locked it the room had 1315 01:07:44,890 --> 01:07:41,739 absolutely not one stick of furniture 1316 01:07:48,099 --> 01:07:44,900 whatsoever in the room nothing it was 1317 01:07:50,799 --> 01:07:48,109 completely empty the only thing was in 1318 01:07:51,759 --> 01:07:50,809 there that I had described was a 1319 01:07:55,509 --> 01:07:51,769 fireplace 1320 01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:55,519 talking about it that's he I saw her 1321 01:07:59,559 --> 01:07:57,890 when I'm gonna the furniture 1322 01:08:01,569 --> 01:07:59,569 she said there's no in it nothing the 1323 01:08:04,659 --> 01:08:01,579 first chewing you see there's not being 1324 01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:04,669 in the past six months she said the 1325 01:08:10,329 --> 01:08:07,369 people that had this least still has a 1326 01:08:13,899 --> 01:08:10,339 lease on him but they went back up north 1327 01:08:15,370 --> 01:08:13,909 and there's not made it some time were 1328 01:08:17,999 --> 01:08:15,380 they coming back and I but they're 1329 01:08:20,829 --> 01:08:18,009 holding the lease so this is empty 1330 01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:20,839 that's a ma'am it wouldn't be yesterday 1331 01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:22,489 he wouldn't have to last night 1332 01:08:28,450 --> 01:08:26,089 so John being a policeman he started 1333 01:08:30,430 --> 01:08:28,460 asking people then the hallway he 1334 01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:30,440 knocked on doors and ask him who was 1335 01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:32,809 staying there they had no idea anybody 1336 01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:36,289 DNA we asked outside was anybody there 1337 01:08:40,809 --> 01:08:38,960 was a moving van in there they said 1338 01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:40,819 there was no booting bad in that and 1339 01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:43,759 that's when job began to wonder what's 1340 01:08:49,689 --> 01:08:46,730 going on so he got some friends to run a 1341 01:08:53,049 --> 01:08:49,699 check to see if there was a date done 1342 01:08:56,169 --> 01:08:53,059 productions in California and there was 1343 01:09:00,339 --> 01:08:56,179 no existence of any production company 1344 01:09:04,839 --> 01:09:00,349 in California that was a wonderful night 1345 01:09:05,019 --> 01:09:04,849 with dates that they've dug up she's you 1346 01:09:07,450 --> 01:09:05,029 know 1347 01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:07,460 we've heard stories before about I 1348 01:09:14,289 --> 01:09:09,770 remember there was a story that some 1349 01:09:16,990 --> 01:09:14,299 lady a young woman at the time told me 1350 01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:17,000 about as she was walking up near 1351 01:09:21,490 --> 01:09:19,730 Woodstock New York and she found this 1352 01:09:23,919 --> 01:09:21,500 building and went to the into the 1353 01:09:26,109 --> 01:09:23,929 building and can talk to some people and 1354 01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:26,119 then they may you know they made friends 1355 01:09:31,809 --> 01:09:27,770 and she wanted to go and visit them 1356 01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:31,819 again and when she returned to the 1357 01:09:36,490 --> 01:09:34,369 building they were it was like totally 1358 01:09:38,379 --> 01:09:36,500 vacant and full of cobwebs and it you 1359 01:09:39,609 --> 01:09:38,389 know it looked like nobody had it was 1360 01:09:42,099 --> 01:09:39,619 one of these places you're out in the 1361 01:09:43,899 --> 01:09:42,109 country that had no it looked like 1362 01:09:46,209 --> 01:09:43,909 nobody had lived there for years and 1363 01:09:48,459 --> 01:09:46,219 ever venue of HO sightings around there 1364 01:09:51,249 --> 01:09:48,469 in the oil and she had some private 1365 01:09:53,799 --> 01:09:51,259 Steiners and we it's it's it's missing 1366 01:09:57,260 --> 01:09:53,809 time for a break so we'll continue this 1367 01:10:06,020 --> 01:09:57,270 conversation in just a few minutes 1368 01:10:12,750 --> 01:10:10,169 now back to exploring the bazaars with 1369 01:10:16,050 --> 01:10:12,760 two of the most electrifying researchers 1370 01:10:22,169 --> 01:10:16,060 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 1371 01:10:25,380 --> 01:10:22,179 Lee and teams lists and Tim certainly 1372 01:10:29,370 --> 01:10:25,390 two of the most electrifying yes oh yes 1373 01:10:31,229 --> 01:10:29,380 and Johnny sands and in fact Johnny 1374 01:10:34,770 --> 01:10:31,239 tells some incredible stories about 1375 01:10:36,959 --> 01:10:34,780 Elvis and and Evel Knievel in the end 1376 01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:36,969 the people Delsin and all that he knew 1377 01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:40,480 and performed with on a new on and off 1378 01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:43,810 stage what did you think Evel would 1379 01:10:59,370 --> 01:10:54,209 he was a character he he was a I gotta 1380 01:11:01,560 --> 01:10:59,380 call him a self-made man he has hey you 1381 01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:01,570 never know what even Evel Knievel do 1382 01:11:09,419 --> 01:11:05,280 next I mean he was he was just a strange 1383 01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:09,429 strange guy and now he was a long way 1384 01:11:12,050 --> 01:11:11,170 from being a dummy I don't mean it that 1385 01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:12,060 way 1386 01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:17,489 but he was just uh nothing ever he was 1387 01:11:23,340 --> 01:11:20,850 never really meant much to him you know 1388 01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:23,350 nothing it he done he never felt like he 1389 01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:26,170 ever really achieved it and his ego 1390 01:11:33,149 --> 01:11:30,250 stood in his way of his his credibility 1391 01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:33,159 and I guess he had he had a massive ego 1392 01:11:39,060 --> 01:11:36,010 as I understand it right I mean he oh 1393 01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:39,070 yeah almost to the of almost away a 1394 01:11:43,380 --> 01:11:39,730 fault 1395 01:11:44,970 --> 01:11:43,390 now did you did you did a summer stunt 1396 01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:44,980 work did you ever get shot out of a 1397 01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:50,800 cannon no I never got an entire which I 1398 01:11:56,130 --> 01:11:54,070 mean that was that's more I mean don't 1399 01:12:00,419 --> 01:11:56,140 get me wrong it's a dangerous stunt but 1400 01:12:02,729 --> 01:12:00,429 it's a cannon I used to work with one I 1401 01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:02,739 just didn't have the desire to want to 1402 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:06,489 do it but it's spring loaded and it's 1403 01:12:12,750 --> 01:12:09,850 set you said it with uh using uh 1404 01:12:13,530 --> 01:12:12,760 something of your weight to set it to go 1405 01:12:15,090 --> 01:12:13,540 to the disco 1406 01:12:18,330 --> 01:12:15,100 that you wanted to go now they have 1407 01:12:20,670 --> 01:12:18,340 backfired of course but it was such a it 1408 01:12:23,340 --> 01:12:20,680 was a spring load so I it really didn't 1409 01:12:26,130 --> 01:12:23,350 it didn't impress me too much I did a 1410 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:26,140 stunt over Snake River Canyon where I'm 1411 01:12:31,770 --> 01:12:29,290 hung on a cable upside down half a mile 1412 01:12:35,820 --> 01:12:31,780 out in the middle uh over to a little 1413 01:12:38,580 --> 01:12:35,830 bita sky and then walk it back 1414 01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:38,590 whoo well you could have wish there were 1415 01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:40,450 some UFOs protecting you around that 1416 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:43,450 time I don't know yeah yeah you weren't 1417 01:12:48,900 --> 01:12:44,890 scared of heights I mean what made you 1418 01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:48,910 decide to do something like that just I 1419 01:12:55,890 --> 01:12:52,690 like to learn stuff I always liked 1420 01:12:58,740 --> 01:12:55,900 stunts I started out with motorcycle 1421 01:13:01,290 --> 01:12:58,750 stunts and then I began to do how Ruth 1422 01:13:03,390 --> 01:13:01,300 Falls for cowboy pictures like the old 1423 01:13:07,980 --> 01:13:03,400 Wild Wild West television show Robert 1424 01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:07,990 Conrad onion up on that kind of show and 1425 01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:10,210 then I did a lot of stuff out there it 1426 01:13:16,890 --> 01:13:13,570 we we filmed a lot in Tucson Oh Tucson 1427 01:13:19,020 --> 01:13:16,900 Arizona and up in the Superstition 1428 01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:19,030 Mountain we had a studio up act called 1429 01:13:24,900 --> 01:13:21,310 Apache land movie studio that's where 1430 01:13:30,510 --> 01:13:24,910 we've done a Elvis Presley a non-singing 1431 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:30,520 film called Charos eh arr Oh and so I 1432 01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:33,010 did love the West and stuff death drags 1433 01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:35,050 from horses where that's where you fall 1434 01:13:40,440 --> 01:13:37,840 off the horse and leave you foot hung in 1435 01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:40,450 his stirrup and let the horse drag you 1436 01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:42,880 down through the cactus and also well we 1437 01:13:47,550 --> 01:13:45,280 I think I think we've seen that we've 1438 01:13:48,330 --> 01:13:47,560 seen that a few times in the movies when 1439 01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:48,340 we were kids 1440 01:13:54,420 --> 01:13:52,960 I think westerns I think westerns are 1441 01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:54,430 making a comeback I noticed they're 1442 01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:56,800 quite a few more of them you know on 1443 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:00,640 Netflix and some of these pay-per-view 1444 01:14:04,050 --> 01:14:02,650 with channels I I saw one the other 1445 01:14:07,650 --> 01:14:04,060 night it wasn't too bad called The 1446 01:14:10,170 --> 01:14:07,660 Virginian which we sit here and watch 1447 01:14:12,150 --> 01:14:10,180 for a couple hours I always I always 1448 01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:12,160 liked the Western 1449 01:14:16,050 --> 01:14:14,560 themes I was that I was the quick-draw 1450 01:14:24,300 --> 01:14:16,060 in the neighborhood with a cap pistol 1451 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:24,310 that was my fortune I work with a Kurt 1452 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:26,650 Russell and a picture ID and well 1453 01:14:31,740 --> 01:14:27,370 spanked us all 1454 01:14:33,780 --> 01:14:31,750 so and as we do the show called VIN team 1455 01:14:38,220 --> 01:14:33,790 Broxson I don't know you remember that 1456 01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:38,230 own thing yeah yeah well yeah sure 1457 01:14:42,090 --> 01:14:40,690 they wrote a motorcycle the boy rode the 1458 01:14:43,950 --> 01:14:42,100 motorcycle all over the country and he's 1459 01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:43,960 always saving lives of doing something 1460 01:14:50,190 --> 01:14:48,250 it's heroic act and it's our as my first 1461 01:14:52,580 --> 01:14:50,200 venture with Kurt Russell and then I 1462 01:14:56,570 --> 01:14:52,590 worked with Peter father in California 1463 01:15:02,850 --> 01:14:56,580 in a movie called wild angels and I did 1464 01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:02,860 not work well then we had a we had a 1465 01:15:07,530 --> 01:15:05,050 reunion year about eight years ago down 1466 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:07,540 in Atlanta Georgia at the Fox Theatre 1467 01:15:15,390 --> 01:15:11,530 and the Peter came and was reunited 1468 01:15:18,570 --> 01:15:15,400 there and it was a real great to see him 1469 01:15:20,670 --> 01:15:18,580 again and be able to uh you know meeting 1470 01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:20,680 he was such a great guy and you know I 1471 01:15:26,220 --> 01:15:23,890 loved his dad too so it was a good 1472 01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:26,230 family well you know I'm so disappointed 1473 01:15:32,130 --> 01:15:29,440 in the movies of today because I always 1474 01:15:34,770 --> 01:15:32,140 enjoyed it this a good stunt man makes a 1475 01:15:37,410 --> 01:15:34,780 film and today there's there's no stunt 1476 01:15:40,230 --> 01:15:37,420 work I mean it's all it's all computer 1477 01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:40,240 and you know animation it's just I mean 1478 01:15:44,340 --> 01:15:42,250 we got one one movie there where the 1479 01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:44,350 Dwayne Johnson you know the rock is 1480 01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:46,510 riding the missile across the ice I mean 1481 01:15:52,170 --> 01:15:49,330 what kind of that's not stunt work you 1482 01:15:54,270 --> 01:15:52,180 know that's that's that's done it's done 1483 01:15:56,700 --> 01:15:54,280 with a computer there's no there's no 1484 01:15:59,280 --> 01:15:56,710 talent you know maybe the computer I 1485 01:16:00,810 --> 01:15:59,290 guess graphics guys got talent but you 1486 01:16:04,740 --> 01:16:00,820 know but what what happened to the old 1487 01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:04,750 days of a real of the stunt work that 1488 01:16:10,530 --> 01:16:08,170 was disappointing you know we had we 1489 01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:10,540 tweeted the main and the falls and that 1490 01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:14,710 and we took all these to danger and we 1491 01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:16,480 liked actors you know sit on the 1492 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:18,850 sidelines and be cool it's kind of like 1493 01:16:23,370 --> 01:16:21,010 told Elvis when I did the stuff with 1494 01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:23,380 Elvis I told you I had to go to the 1495 01:16:28,110 --> 01:16:24,970 hospital because I got cut up a little 1496 01:16:29,700 --> 01:16:28,120 bit no a picket fence and I told him I 1497 01:16:31,740 --> 01:16:29,710 said it's just kind of like a juried 1498 01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:31,750 song he said what song is that I said 1499 01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:43,540 so you know no they got afraid to stuck 1500 01:16:49,060 --> 01:16:46,730 me in and of course you can you can say 1501 01:16:51,970 --> 01:16:49,070 cast up man alright cheaper and a lot 1502 01:16:53,919 --> 01:16:51,980 easier then you can create one and there 1503 01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:53,929 was some great stuntman in my time there 1504 01:16:59,560 --> 01:16:56,570 Dahl Roberson was a great stunt man and 1505 01:17:02,560 --> 01:16:59,570 there was several uh Burt Reynolds was a 1506 01:17:04,839 --> 01:17:02,570 great stunt man Hal Needham was a great 1507 01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:04,849 stunt man he saw some great guys back to 1508 01:17:10,540 --> 01:17:08,090 my time well you know too bad you didn't 1509 01:17:13,950 --> 01:17:10,550 get to talk to Elvis about UFOs because 1510 01:17:17,169 --> 01:17:13,960 I understand that the Elvis was a it 1511 01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:17,179 enjoyed a good UFO story from time to 1512 01:17:22,509 --> 01:17:19,250 time and had a couple of sightings 1513 01:17:24,220 --> 01:17:22,519 themselves well I think when dr. 1514 01:17:25,839 --> 01:17:24,230 feelgood got done with you Mary he 1515 01:17:29,740 --> 01:17:25,849 thought he can loot clouds and it was 1516 01:17:31,870 --> 01:17:29,750 like I one time and I mean sad to say 1517 01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:31,880 that it's true 1518 01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:35,449 he was so messed up and in a lot of 1519 01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:38,000 years when I went to fire I don't even 1520 01:17:43,660 --> 01:17:40,159 know if he knew it was me oh he was 1521 01:17:46,029 --> 01:17:43,670 talking to it two times he was really he 1522 01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:46,039 was really in bad shape and done and he 1523 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:48,050 kept his wonders all Kent pulled up in 1524 01:17:53,950 --> 01:17:52,010 his bedroom upstairs and he kept day and 1525 01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:53,960 night where he could be nighttime all 1526 01:17:58,750 --> 01:17:57,050 the way around the clock for him so he 1527 01:18:03,069 --> 01:17:58,760 may get up at six o'clock in the evening 1528 01:18:05,979 --> 01:18:03,079 he may not get up and so and his dad was 1529 01:18:06,879 --> 01:18:05,989 going through a whole lot with with him 1530 01:18:10,299 --> 01:18:06,889 being that way 1531 01:18:13,500 --> 01:18:10,309 so he messed up it's kind of a bad 1532 01:18:15,939 --> 01:18:13,510 situation say it well you know I guess 1533 01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:15,949 do you think that had anything to do 1534 01:18:22,060 --> 01:18:19,489 with his being is such a celebrity and 1535 01:18:26,290 --> 01:18:22,070 and people wanting so much out of him or 1536 01:18:28,029 --> 01:18:26,300 or you know I mean is that the cause you 1537 01:18:29,950 --> 01:18:28,039 think of a lot of people doing you know 1538 01:18:31,899 --> 01:18:29,960 like the celebrities you hear about it 1539 01:18:34,330 --> 01:18:31,909 end up getting on drugs and some of you 1540 01:18:39,790 --> 01:18:34,340 even you know they're dying due to an 1541 01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:39,800 overdose I mean are you a student do I 1542 01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:41,360 think that's what they're making the 1543 01:18:47,109 --> 01:18:44,000 celebrity yeah I don't know I mean they 1544 01:18:49,359 --> 01:18:47,119 do celebrities have it I mean a harder I 1545 01:18:50,859 --> 01:18:49,369 mean is that way you find out so many 1546 01:18:54,159 --> 01:18:50,869 celebrities have such a problem 1547 01:18:57,540 --> 01:18:54,169 what drugs do you think ah well you know 1548 01:19:00,639 --> 01:18:57,550 I have experimented in my lifetime 1549 01:19:03,939 --> 01:19:00,649 hanging around with some of the people 1550 01:19:07,209 --> 01:19:03,949 that I work with in Nashville some of 1551 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:07,219 them are maybe drugs and to fit in with 1552 01:19:12,429 --> 01:19:10,010 the clique you know we'd all sit at the 1553 01:19:15,879 --> 01:19:12,439 table and pass a joint and then next 1554 01:19:18,609 --> 01:19:15,889 thing you do is we'd pop a pill and then 1555 01:19:21,909 --> 01:19:18,619 before you know it you're looking for 1556 01:19:25,029 --> 01:19:21,919 young you know so I think it's a you 1557 01:19:27,549 --> 01:19:25,039 gotta fall into a lot of people words a 1558 01:19:28,989 --> 01:19:27,559 lot of lot of going on like that as you 1559 01:19:32,830 --> 01:19:28,999 can get your hands on and you get 1560 01:19:36,279 --> 01:19:32,840 yourself involved I mean of course today 1561 01:19:38,770 --> 01:19:36,289 but you know marijuana is so commonplace 1562 01:19:40,389 --> 01:19:38,780 everywhere everywhere I mean if you walk 1563 01:19:42,939 --> 01:19:40,399 down my street in New York people 1564 01:19:44,379 --> 01:19:42,949 congregate in front of my building for 1565 01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:44,389 no reason at all they must know I'm 1566 01:19:48,369 --> 01:19:46,610 upstairs or something and you feel all 1567 01:19:50,889 --> 01:19:48,379 day long you smell just the you know the 1568 01:19:53,290 --> 01:19:50,899 reefer coming up the the stairway so 1569 01:19:56,459 --> 01:19:53,300 it's very very very peculiar we thought 1570 01:19:59,199 --> 01:19:56,469 it was you know something that was 1571 01:20:01,839 --> 01:19:59,209 resolved back in the in the 60s and 1572 01:20:04,869 --> 01:20:01,849 today it's probably more popular and and 1573 01:20:07,209 --> 01:20:04,879 profitable right profitable than ever 1574 01:20:09,399 --> 01:20:07,219 never before that's true and you know 1575 01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:09,409 and being it about your steps and they 1576 01:20:13,540 --> 01:20:11,209 always smoke going up towards your place 1577 01:20:17,979 --> 01:20:13,550 it's one's raising some strange here 1578 01:20:26,889 --> 01:20:17,989 like this well you know I don't IIIi 1579 01:20:29,020 --> 01:20:26,899 don't inhale that's my better you should 1580 01:20:30,639 --> 01:20:29,030 smoke for a medicinal that you know 1581 01:20:33,100 --> 01:20:30,649 purposes because I got a lot of medical 1582 01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:33,110 issues and I said I never I never got 1583 01:20:37,209 --> 01:20:35,090 high on pot because there I never smoked 1584 01:20:39,489 --> 01:20:37,219 cigarettes I never got high on pot now 1585 01:20:41,949 --> 01:20:39,499 maybe once or twice okay but yeah you 1586 01:20:44,949 --> 01:20:41,959 know I I never I never just I just never 1587 01:20:46,629 --> 01:20:44,959 got it in my system and it never liked 1588 01:20:49,239 --> 01:20:46,639 inhale I never I never found that that 1589 01:20:51,369 --> 01:20:49,249 enjoyable the aza and I choked I just 1590 01:20:53,709 --> 01:20:51,379 got it you know you yeah if I smell 1591 01:20:56,589 --> 01:20:53,719 smoke in the room I end up you know 1592 01:20:59,080 --> 01:20:56,599 coughing so I don't know I'm just wait I 1593 01:21:02,830 --> 01:20:59,090 got more allergies you can shake a stick 1594 01:21:04,420 --> 01:21:02,840 at will be great the way that you got 1595 01:21:06,130 --> 01:21:04,430 them yeah hey 1596 01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:06,140 so gently did you ever have a follow up 1597 01:21:15,570 --> 01:21:11,650 experience you know I'd seen after 1598 01:21:21,450 --> 01:21:15,580 having an experience with seeing UFOs 1599 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:25,980 UFOs in flight I've seen them come down 1600 01:21:31,150 --> 01:21:29,330 in North Carolina I've seen one hovering 1601 01:21:34,900 --> 01:21:31,160 about a hundred feet off the ground 1602 01:21:37,330 --> 01:21:34,910 and and I was in front of a church and 1603 01:21:40,060 --> 01:21:37,340 the church was going home and I actually 1604 01:21:42,370 --> 01:21:40,070 stopped the car my wife was with me and 1605 01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:42,380 I went into church about everybody out 1606 01:21:46,690 --> 01:21:43,970 of the church outside and showed it to 1607 01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:46,700 them and it was sitting there hovering 1608 01:21:50,770 --> 01:21:48,800 in the sky and they thought somebody had 1609 01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:50,780 built a tower up in the sky out there 1610 01:21:57,330 --> 01:21:54,530 and it was just you can see the light to 1611 01:21:59,800 --> 01:21:57,340 rotate knowledge and it was as big 1612 01:22:03,640 --> 01:21:59,810 almost as half as big as a football 1613 01:22:06,940 --> 01:22:03,650 field lights how closely works now did 1614 01:22:08,830 --> 01:22:06,950 you ever did you ever want to to meet up 1615 01:22:10,750 --> 01:22:08,840 with these guys again and there are guys 1616 01:22:12,940 --> 01:22:10,760 I say well whatever whatever they were 1617 01:22:16,450 --> 01:22:12,950 that you that you first met there on 1618 01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:16,460 your way to Las Vegas oh well yeah I've 1619 01:22:23,170 --> 01:22:20,960 lived religiously yeah in fact you know 1620 01:22:25,390 --> 01:22:23,180 I said they helped me write the song guy 1621 01:22:27,970 --> 01:22:25,400 in fact I got it only he's told the blue 1622 01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:27,980 time and highway and I never put it out 1623 01:22:34,660 --> 01:22:30,560 to all of those years and I recorded 1624 01:22:37,740 --> 01:22:34,670 that of us eight months ago and put it 1625 01:22:39,970 --> 01:22:37,750 in an album I've got and oh wonderful 1626 01:22:45,070 --> 01:22:39,980 and it's called the blue diamond 1627 01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:45,080 encounter and so yeah I love to them 1628 01:22:50,590 --> 01:22:47,210 begins a song and I come up with it's a 1629 01:22:53,260 --> 01:22:50,600 hill start and in fact what I put out it 1630 01:22:56,110 --> 01:22:53,270 writers I put off a rich but Johnny 1631 01:22:57,850 --> 01:22:56,120 sands and the men in black well you know 1632 01:23:00,010 --> 01:22:57,860 you know too bad they couldn't have come 1633 01:23:01,420 --> 01:23:00,020 you know hey in the old days some of 1634 01:23:03,010 --> 01:23:01,430 these contactees would come up with a 1635 01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:03,020 great idea they claimed that the alien 1636 01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:04,250 voices would be on there or something 1637 01:23:08,890 --> 01:23:06,650 remember bill Howard mentor did music 1638 01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:08,900 from another planet you said they're all 1639 01:23:15,940 --> 01:23:10,970 yeah how are you yeah sure 1640 01:23:18,129 --> 01:23:15,950 yeah yeah no yeah yeah music music and 1641 01:23:21,069 --> 01:23:18,139 UFOs seem to go 1642 01:23:24,729 --> 01:23:21,079 and in hand I mean that there there's so 1643 01:23:26,850 --> 01:23:24,739 many so many performers in rock-and-roll 1644 01:23:29,889 --> 01:23:26,860 well that's of course the you know 1645 01:23:32,109 --> 01:23:29,899 people I don't being in there that part 1646 01:23:35,620 --> 01:23:32,119 of the business for some years some 1647 01:23:37,149 --> 01:23:35,630 years ago but just about everyone I know 1648 01:23:40,029 --> 01:23:37,159 it was in the music profession had 1649 01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:40,039 either an interest in UFOs or had some a 1650 01:23:45,790 --> 01:23:43,280 story they they want to do to talk about 1651 01:23:47,199 --> 01:23:45,800 you know I'd go in and I'd want to do an 1652 01:23:48,699 --> 01:23:47,209 interview with there was somebody in a 1653 01:23:50,290 --> 01:23:48,709 band and they ended up doing the 1654 01:23:53,739 --> 01:23:50,300 interview with me because they wanted to 1655 01:23:54,339 --> 01:23:53,749 find out what was going on like geezer 1656 01:23:57,549 --> 01:23:54,349 butler 1657 01:23:59,589 --> 01:23:57,559 he was the bass player for Black Sabbath 1658 01:24:03,189 --> 01:23:59,599 he had an incident I think out when he 1659 01:24:06,129 --> 01:24:03,199 was living the era room area 51 where 1660 01:24:09,580 --> 01:24:06,139 this UFO came over and almost ripped the 1661 01:24:16,330 --> 01:24:09,590 tiles off of the roof of his the home 1662 01:24:21,129 --> 01:24:16,340 out there they were staying in jazz rock 1663 01:24:24,729 --> 01:24:21,139 songs rocking man well we got we got we 1664 01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:24,739 got your Jerry Lee Lewis there's a song 1665 01:24:31,569 --> 01:24:28,639 that's the Flying Saucer rock and roll I 1666 01:24:33,969 --> 01:24:31,579 think it was done in 1954 or something 1667 01:24:39,779 --> 01:24:33,979 and I'm looking at the credits Jerry Lee 1668 01:24:42,069 --> 01:24:39,789 Lewis is playing the piano on it hmm so 1669 01:24:45,219 --> 01:24:42,079 we're gonna have to have a show when 1670 01:24:49,169 --> 01:24:45,229 that we would just play Tim will just 1671 01:24:51,909 --> 01:24:49,179 play rock and roll ufo-related music 1672 01:24:55,959 --> 01:24:51,919 well I've got I've got an old song that 1673 01:24:58,509 --> 01:24:55,969 Jimmy Durante sang about you know let's 1674 01:24:59,230 --> 01:24:58,519 go let's go fly-in saucer II and I think 1675 01:25:03,629 --> 01:24:59,240 is how he put it 1676 01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:07,029 remember the old Stan Freberg takeoff oh 1677 01:25:14,500 --> 01:25:12,169 yeah and I was like um Santa Claus 1678 01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:14,510 versus the UFOs and things like that 1679 01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:19,760 I mean sure you know you don't get too 1680 01:25:24,009 --> 01:25:21,530 many you don't get to me in those days 1681 01:25:27,339 --> 01:25:24,019 ever growing up there was always you 1682 01:25:30,549 --> 01:25:27,349 know some song on the charts flying 1683 01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:30,559 purple people eater or even the 1684 01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:32,090 knowledge is that doggy in the 1685 01:25:35,379 --> 01:25:33,440 window where you could hear the you know 1686 01:25:38,620 --> 01:25:35,389 lyrics and and there were quite a few 1687 01:25:41,169 --> 01:25:38,630 songs that were related to UFOs there 1688 01:25:43,899 --> 01:25:41,179 was a UFO trucker song I can't remember 1689 01:25:47,490 --> 01:25:43,909 the name of it but truckers and seeing 1690 01:25:55,419 --> 01:25:47,500 flying saucer I don't remember that one 1691 01:25:58,810 --> 01:25:55,429 you're not a trucker I know it was one 1692 01:26:00,010 --> 01:25:58,820 they wrote that it's a UFO guy wrote it 1693 01:26:03,459 --> 01:26:00,020 to his girlfriend 1694 01:26:14,260 --> 01:26:03,469 it's a they kissed it between angers and 1695 01:26:18,430 --> 01:26:14,270 his channel through the air people find 1696 01:26:22,270 --> 01:26:18,440 the the album that the song is on uh 1697 01:26:24,459 --> 01:26:22,280 well uh it is too you know top recording 1698 01:26:30,399 --> 01:26:24,469 studio Nashville Tennessee 1699 01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:30,409 okay and she's already had a got a [\h__\h] 1700 01:26:43,270 --> 01:26:32,449 you got a phonograph near the the phone 1701 01:26:45,070 --> 01:26:43,280 there no absolute you want it yeah yes I 1702 01:26:47,379 --> 01:26:45,080 did but there's no way that I could that 1703 01:26:49,330 --> 01:26:47,389 I can played here we would have had to 1704 01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:49,340 get it off to Tina what we'll do that 1705 01:26:57,129 --> 01:26:54,530 we'll do that next time we'll have I got 1706 01:26:59,169 --> 01:26:57,139 the disc I you sent it to me but uh I 1707 01:27:01,600 --> 01:26:59,179 can't I can't play it on the air because 1708 01:27:03,820 --> 01:27:01,610 the show is actually produced in in Las 1709 01:27:08,020 --> 01:27:03,830 Vegas and I'm here I'm not here in the 1710 01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:08,030 Big Apple tonight but I'm but I was 1711 01:27:12,430 --> 01:27:10,159 gonna say here's that photograph that 1712 01:27:15,370 --> 01:27:12,440 you got on that Rick on the album cover 1713 01:27:17,859 --> 01:27:15,380 was the actual drawing that was the 1714 01:27:19,450 --> 01:27:17,869 night we were in Vegas where we you know 1715 01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:19,460 I had that you sent me the original 1716 01:27:25,959 --> 01:27:22,400 painting I had I had my original 1717 01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:25,969 painting yeah and and I somehow I left 1718 01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:29,090 it in in a Syracuse newspaper did a 1719 01:27:34,709 --> 01:27:31,280 story on this I you know you get you get 1720 01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:34,719 a lot of press attention over the years 1721 01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:38,480 about about your case because you did 1722 01:27:44,140 --> 01:27:41,690 have documentation on it where a lot of 1723 01:27:45,980 --> 01:27:44,150 you know people there claim that they've 1724 01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:45,990 had UFO experiences 1725 01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:48,810 they don't pass lie-detector test they 1726 01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:50,250 don't have these weird experience and 1727 01:27:55,490 --> 01:27:51,360 they don't have the you know they don't 1728 01:27:58,100 --> 01:27:55,500 have the reputation that you do you know 1729 01:28:00,020 --> 01:27:58,110 either so that story got a lot of 1730 01:28:01,610 --> 01:28:00,030 attention and of course it still 1731 01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:01,620 intrigues me I don't know how many years 1732 01:28:08,170 --> 01:28:04,320 we've known each other well how many 1733 01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:08,180 years ago since the the actual incident 1734 01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:13,170 it's 40 been 40 almost 42 years well 1735 01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:14,610 seize it well then we've known each 1736 01:28:22,220 --> 01:28:18,000 other 42 years or something like that 1737 01:28:24,620 --> 01:28:22,230 I mean well that's why we do have the 1738 01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:24,630 people's attention before two years ago 1739 01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:27,570 I told his story now I told you I've 1740 01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:30,000 never done it I never made money so I'm 1741 01:28:37,490 --> 01:28:32,960 telling you tonight just as I told it in 1742 01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:37,500 1975 I've not made this up what I have 1743 01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:40,650 told you he's gaining by disappearing 1744 01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:43,290 and all of that is actually the God's 1745 01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:46,560 truth and and I stand on it firm and I 1746 01:28:50,210 --> 01:28:48,330 will take that with me to the grave 1747 01:28:53,390 --> 01:28:50,220 because I did see what I see 1748 01:28:56,270 --> 01:28:53,400 well we certainly believe you now bill 1749 01:28:59,570 --> 01:28:56,280 what would - your way of thinking I mean 1750 01:29:02,840 --> 01:28:59,580 you did 30 almost 40 episodes of UFO 1751 01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:02,850 Hunters what what do UFO contact 1752 01:29:08,090 --> 01:29:05,610 experience I mean do you think is the 1753 01:29:13,100 --> 01:29:08,100 most documentary that you put the most 1754 01:29:16,700 --> 01:29:13,110 the faith in well I do think that the 1755 01:29:20,420 --> 01:29:16,710 Roswell encounter is very documented I 1756 01:29:24,740 --> 01:29:20,430 think that ben-ari event waters is 1757 01:29:27,460 --> 01:29:24,750 documented and in some cases it's not 1758 01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:27,470 just a documentation but it's the 1759 01:29:32,300 --> 01:29:29,850 documentation of the cover-up the 1760 01:29:35,950 --> 01:29:32,310 documentation of the exploration around 1761 01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:35,960 the incident that's fascinating I mean I 1762 01:29:40,970 --> 01:29:39,090 think that when you look at Roswell when 1763 01:29:43,490 --> 01:29:40,980 you look at Ben waters when you look at 1764 01:29:45,890 --> 01:29:43,500 this Alan Godfrey story when you look at 1765 01:29:49,580 --> 01:29:45,900 which took place in the UK with with his 1766 01:29:52,300 --> 01:29:49,590 sighting when you look at the Phoenix 1767 01:29:56,570 --> 01:29:52,310 lights that's another one where that 1768 01:29:58,970 --> 01:29:56,580 story again slowly gets uncovered over 1769 01:29:59,840 --> 01:29:58,980 the years I mean just just I think it 1770 01:30:03,860 --> 01:29:59,850 was earlier the 1771 01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:03,870 shir oh we had the revelation from Kurt 1772 01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:06,570 Russell from the actor Kurt Russell that 1773 01:30:15,170 --> 01:30:11,130 the johnny was talking about that Kurt 1774 01:30:18,440 --> 01:30:15,180 Russell that we knew from the story from 1775 01:30:21,620 --> 01:30:18,450 20 years ago that there was a private 1776 01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:21,630 pilot who was flying into Phoenix flying 1777 01:30:27,530 --> 01:30:24,960 in to Sky Harbor right behind the lights 1778 01:30:30,830 --> 01:30:27,540 but nobody knew who the pilot was and 1779 01:30:33,230 --> 01:30:30,840 then just just this year Kurt Russell 1780 01:30:36,860 --> 01:30:33,240 said that he saw a story and he realized 1781 01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:36,870 he was the pilot he was dropping off his 1782 01:30:42,050 --> 01:30:40,050 son that had a day in Phoenix and he had 1783 01:30:45,050 --> 01:30:42,060 flown into Phoenix and then thrown out 1784 01:30:49,010 --> 01:30:45,060 and he flew right behind or any sort of 1785 01:30:51,940 --> 01:30:49,020 lights and he was an eyewitness at in 1786 01:30:55,010 --> 01:30:51,950 the air behind the lights that night 1787 01:30:59,060 --> 01:30:55,020 when those wasteful over the Paradise 1788 01:31:01,940 --> 01:30:59,070 Valley in yeah and Mesa that story just 1789 01:31:04,460 --> 01:31:01,950 comes back to the surface this year in 1790 01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:04,470 quite incredible incident well one of my 1791 01:31:11,350 --> 01:31:08,370 favorite contact experiences Carl Higdon 1792 01:31:14,870 --> 01:31:11,360 the hunter out there in Rawlins Wyoming 1793 01:31:17,900 --> 01:31:14,880 it turns out that I've talked to his 1794 01:31:20,540 --> 01:31:17,910 wife they've got a book they are going 1795 01:31:22,490 --> 01:31:20,550 to self-publish her put out and just a 1796 01:31:25,220 --> 01:31:22,500 short amount of time and we're gonna 1797 01:31:28,330 --> 01:31:25,230 have them on the on the show and that to 1798 01:31:31,550 --> 01:31:28,340 me there's a that's another incredible 1799 01:31:33,620 --> 01:31:31,560 encounter where he was out the shooting 1800 01:31:36,860 --> 01:31:33,630 elk he was hunting elk and the bullet 1801 01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:36,870 hit some invisible force field and he 1802 01:31:40,820 --> 01:31:38,850 had a condition on his of lung or kidney 1803 01:31:44,150 --> 01:31:40,830 and when he was taken to the hospital 1804 01:31:47,480 --> 01:31:44,160 after his experience it was all cleared 1805 01:31:50,990 --> 01:31:47,490 and speaking of clearing up Tim we're 1806 01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:51,000 almost at the end of another fascinating 1807 01:31:58,060 --> 01:31:55,650 episode of exploring the bizarre I think 1808 01:32:00,830 --> 01:31:58,070 we're almost up to a hundred and twenty 1809 01:32:03,020 --> 01:32:00,840 something episodes now and we keep on 1810 01:32:06,620 --> 01:32:03,030 truckin and we've had some of the best 1811 01:32:11,020 --> 01:32:06,630 guests on the show some fascinating 1812 01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:11,030 subjects and we've only just begun 1813 01:32:17,390 --> 01:32:13,530 tonight 1814 01:32:21,470 --> 01:32:17,400 and zanjani sales well let me say this 1815 01:32:23,810 --> 01:32:21,480 to you heal burns there when we want you 1816 01:32:26,420 --> 01:32:23,820 fo our owners I have had contacts from 1817 01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:26,430 all over the world because of bill burns 1818 01:32:33,950 --> 01:32:30,570 and UFO hummus with related to the UFO 1819 01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:33,960 she oh I think it's aired maybe 16 20 1820 01:32:40,010 --> 01:32:35,610 times according to the people that I've 1821 01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:40,020 heard and episode that episode on 1822 01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:42,090 YouTube is got something like a hundred 1823 01:32:47,450 --> 01:32:45,810 and twenty thousand viewers so there you 1824 01:32:49,190 --> 01:32:47,460 go well we're waiting we're waiting for 1825 01:32:51,530 --> 01:32:49,200 the show to come back I want you know it 1826 01:32:54,050 --> 01:32:51,540 needs to be come back on the air there's 1827 01:32:59,030 --> 01:32:54,060 got to be some decent UFO programming 1828 01:33:02,120 --> 01:32:59,040 out there and really but I'm pushing it 1829 01:33:04,820 --> 01:33:02,130 I'm pushing it to this very day yeah a 1830 01:33:08,690 --> 01:33:04,830 few movies that are in development we'll 1831 01:33:10,610 --> 01:33:08,700 see what happens to them but yes I I do 1832 01:33:13,070 --> 01:33:10,620 push that show I'd love to take it back 1833 01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:13,080 yeah we would like we'd like that we'd 1834 01:33:17,690 --> 01:33:15,450 like to see it and and Tim yeah we'll 1835 01:33:21,290 --> 01:33:17,700 we'll be talking to you soon and 1836 01:33:23,480 --> 01:33:21,300 remember our YouTube channel is mr. UFO 1837 01:33:25,670 --> 01:33:23,490 secret their files and want to thank 1838 01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:25,680 everybody who works on the program Tina 1839 01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:29,210 to the producer Peter the animator and 1840 01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:32,610 Carol who's our office assistant here 1841 01:33:37,550 --> 01:33:35,850 and bless you all and we'll be talking 1842 01:33:47,220 --> 01:33:37,560 to you all very soon with another 1843 01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:49,530 you've been listening to exploring the 1844 01:33:56,670 --> 01:33:53,410 bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley and to 1845 01:33:59,550 --> 01:33:56,680 Swartz they're taking back the night by 1846 01:34:02,130 --> 01:33:59,560 jetting non-stop across the cosmos in 1847 01:34:05,940 --> 01:34:02,140 search of the truly bizarre and totally 1848 01:34:08,450 --> 01:34:05,950 unexplained with you as their cold 1849 01:34:12,930 --> 01:34:08,460 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 1850 01:34:14,169 --> 01:34:12,940 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital 1851 01:34:16,750 --> 01:34:14,179 radio 1852 01:34:20,050 --> 01:34:16,760 for more information on exploring the 1853 01:34:22,899 --> 01:34:20,060 bazaar and hosts timothy Beckley and tim 1854 01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:22,909 Swartz check out their kco our digital 1855 01:34:32,229 --> 01:34:26,000 radio network follow their YouTube 1856 01:34:42,620 --> 01:34:32,239 channel @m r UFO 1100 explore the